You know it really sounds like you are envious of the canucks....
- rune_74

I AM envious of the Canucks...the 2010 Canucks.

well they might be right, cause he'll get crucified if he's pair with Phaneuf





see what I did there
- Big_Lightnin

.....

no

(frank) i am tired of going over this

liles gardiner phaneuf and franson are all point producing D

the LAST kind of player we need back there is yet another PMD

rielly will be playing junior next year.. unless there are some serious personnel changes between now and the beginning of the season
- Dozzer

So rielly is unable to become a 2 way player? Cool

No I know he wasn't hiding it....neither was Liles - Liles shouldn't have been signed to that long of a contract regardless of his injury...isn't Liles like 50 or something??
- Garnie

31 when he signed the extension

I'd disagree. He's the only guy who can play in all situations aside from Dion, and he's less than half the cap hit.

Gunnar-Blacker or Gunnar-Percy could be a very good pairing.

That said, Gunnar at $3.15M is very tradable, especially after 1-2 yrs.

Either way, Fraser is not a guy who will be around in 2 yrs. He'll look for more money if he continues his solid play, and just can't afford to pay bottom pairing guy more than $1M considering the presumed contracts of the top 4 in the net year or 2.
- Big_Lightnin

Why not try Gunner with Granberg. The kid held his own against the likes of Stamkos, Giroux and Duchene as a 20 year old., and comes with a sexy 900k cap hit.

I said when hes developed and could be a good project in the future. But you're blind and dont read just like youe comments on gunners play this year. Gunner was sub par for this year yet you make it seem he was God at defending throughout the season and playoffs which he was not. I said hes decent to have and not the best compliment for phaneuf. Given that csrlyle is new coach he gave phaneuf a poop load of minutes. Iunno how that compar3s to what ron wilson gave phaneuf but gunner eventually getting more minutes didnt really seem to work out. You are supporting average defending... other years he was good, this year he was not simple
- Mapleleafs_91

So rielly is unable to become a 2 way player? Cool
- Mapleleafs_91

This season,,, yes

Why not try Gunner with Granberg. The kid held his own against the likes of Stamkos, Giroux and Duchene as a 20 year old., and comes with a sexy 900k cap hit.
- GardinerExpress

cause Granberg won't make the team, and if he does he will be bottom pairing.
Blacker is ahead of Granberg

cause Granberg won't make the team, and if he does he will be bottom pairing.
Blacker is ahead of Granberg
- Big_Lightnin

I'm not sure about that.

15 points in 37 games and a Plus player. Yeah...terrible.
- djamon

Yeah then plays with phaneuf and sucked. After phaneuf was done with kostka and holzer, that pairing still sucked and sucked through playoffs. Glthe Boston series exposed him

He wants to trade Dion...so yes, we're in disagreement.
- djamon

Salary cap. If we kept him we certainly can't keep Franson. franson can actually shoot...

- burn

You're cooked

I'm not sure about that.
- djamon

that's ok, I am



both being RD they are likely battling for the 7th spot honestly, with Holzer

This season,,, yes
- Big_Lightnin

Bro hes a pmd. Yeah still developing yet unable to.become a 2 way player like a suter or.seabrook. you gotta have some sort of skill at defending.

You're cooked
- Mapleleafs_91

You're burnt

Bro hes a pmd. Yeah still developing yet unable to.become a 2 way player like a suter or.seabrook. you gotta have some sort of skill at defending.
- Mapleleafs_91

unable to become a top pairing 2-way D by this season. Yes, he is.

Unless he is eating magic defense beans, he will not miraculously turn into a top pairing 2-way D in 2 months.

in 2 years, Sure, after a year learning it in the Marlies.

Yeah then plays with phaneuf and sucked. After phaneuf was done with kostka and holzer, that pairing still sucked and sucked through playoffs. Glthe Boston series exposed him
- Mapleleafs_91

it exposed his hip injury that dramatically effected his skating and lateral mobility.

Salary cap. If we kept him we certainly can't keep Franson. franson can actually shoot...
- twiztedmike

posted the stats yesterday actually - Dion was more accurate than Franson even strength last season for overall shot attempts including misses and blocks

http://www.behindthenet.c...c=0+1+3+5+7+9+10+11+12+13

PP filter not working right - wont track misses for some reason

Yep. Everything good that happens to the leafs is either fixed or leafs bias. If it's bad, then it's cause they deserve it and suck terribly.

Of the 12 or so Dmen invited to the CDN camp, Phaneuf is definitely in the top 12 canadian defenseman. For anyone to argue that is just pure stupidity.

Are there other CDN dmen that are better defensively that weren't invited...probably. Are there maybe other CDN dmen that are better offensively that weren't invited...there might be a few.

But are there any CDN dmen who are as well rounded as Phaneuf in every category that weren't invited...no, there's not.

Phaneuf is absolutely NOT excellent or great at anything....but he is good to very good at EVERYTHING. Not many CDN dmen in the league can say that.

Thus, he deserves to be invited to camp.
- Juice

exactly.

i doubt he makes the team unless there are injuries, but hey, he's in the mix, and to think otherwise is just purely hatred for the guy.

Salary cap. If we kept him we certainly can't keep Franson. franson can actually shoot...
- twiztedmike

I'll buy into Franson as soon as he's starts playing tough minutes. He hasn't to this point.

exactly.

i doubt he makes the team unless there are injuries, but hey, he's in the mix, and to think otherwise is just purely hatred for the guy.
- big_dion

honestly, with the lack of Lefties in that camp, he is not as long a shot as most would like to think.

that's ok, I am



both being RD they are likely battling for the 7th spot honestly, with Holzer
- Big_Lightnin

I just don't think Blacker is all that close, TBH. And Holzer may never see the NHL again...he was truly terrible last year.

I just don't think Blacker is all that close, TBH. And Holzer may never see the NHL again...he was truly terrible last year.
- djamon

wasn't ready, and definitely wasn't ready for top pairing minutes they started him with.

he will get another shot.

Blackers gonna wow at camp this year. working his ass off this summer

honestly, with the lack of Lefties in that camp, he is not as long a shot as most would like to think.
- Big_Lightnin

Lack of Lefties? Gunnar, Gardiner, Dion, Fraser? It's righties we're short of.

edit...my bad, I thought you were talking about the Leafs.

wasn't ready, and definitely wasn't ready for top pairing minutes they started him with.

he will get another shot.
- Big_Lightnin

I hope so...I had high hopes for him last year.