I'm not sure if you are trying to be a smartass but if you are, you are failing.

What I'm saying is that when Dion gets tired after playing 25 minutes, he is much more likely to make mistakes in the following minutes that he plays when he's tired than when he's not.
- twiztedmike

Fine. But what I'm saying is that this narrative is a pile of crap. Dion makes more mistakes when he plays 20% more than other top pairing d-men. ALL DEFENSMEN DO. The more you're on the ice...especially against the top guys he always faces...the more mistakes that will be made.

If you bring Dion down to 22 minutes, that means someone else will have to play those 5 minutes. Their mistakes will now rise correspondingly.

I just don't agree with this MSM contention that Dion gets tired at the end of games and that's why he makes mistakes. He gets tired having to take 2 minute shifts since none of our forwards can clear a zone. He gets tired covering for the likes of Holzer and Kostka.

I say we trade any player that cannot trace their lineage to at least 3 generations of Canadian.
- AdamFrench

AND I SAY THE OPPOSITE

Agree....Franson is much more important.

Fraser shows up to play every night.

Gunnerson is plain old average, not someone who should be on this D in 2014-15 with the kids coming up.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

I'd disagree. He's the only guy who can play in all situations aside from Dion, and he's less than half the cap hit.

Gunnar-Blacker or Gunnar-Percy could be a very good pairing.

That said, Gunnar at $3.15M is very tradable, especially after 1-2 yrs.

Either way, Fraser is not a guy who will be around in 2 yrs. He'll look for more money if he continues his solid play, and just can't afford to pay bottom pairing guy more than $1M considering the presumed contracts of the top 4 in the net year or 2.

points... meh

when it comes to actual defense gunnarsson is miles better than franson

but i do like the idea of shipping phaneuf out and keeping both
- Dozzer

No

How many Olympic gold medals does he have?
- Scooby_Doo

In canucks-ville they count olympic medals, not cup victories...

nucks have a grand total of 0 players with cup rings, but who cares they got a bunch of guys with olympic medals!

No
- Yeti1181

YES

AND I SAY THE OPPOSITE


- Dozzer

No
- Yeti1181

Yeah, isn't he the guy that plays the most minutes?

#1 dman don't grow on trees.

In canucks-ville they count olympic medals, not cup victories...

nucks have a grand total of 0 players with cup rings, but who cares they got a bunch of guys with olympic medals!
- GardinerExpress

They have ONE guy...and they tried like hell to get rid of him too.

Fine. But what I'm saying is that this narrative is a pile of crap. Dion makes more mistakes when he plays 20% more than other top pairing d-men. ALL DEFENSMEN DO. The more you're on the ice...especially against the top guys he always faces...the more mistakes that will be made.

If you bring Dion down to 22 minutes, that means someone else will have to play those 5 minutes. Their mistakes will now rise correspondingly.

I just don't agree with this MSM contention that Dion gets tired at the end of games and that's why he makes mistakes. He gets tired having to take 2 minute shifts since none of our forwards can clear a zone. He gets tired covering for the likes of Holzer and Kostka.
- djamon

at first glance, doesn't appear to me that you guys are in disagreement.

And yes, Less minutes for Dion might be good for Dion, but not necessarily better for the team's performance.

managing his minutes in the first 2 periods in order to have him fresher for a heavier load in the 3rd might be the best strategy.

They have ONE guy...and they tried like hell to get rid of him too.
- djamon

Um, more teams than Canada have won gold medals

In canucks-ville they count olympic medals, not cup victories...

nucks have a grand total of 0 players with cup rings, but who cares they got a bunch of guys with olympic medals!
- GardinerExpress

Gold!

In canucks-ville they count olympic medals, not cup victories...

nucks have a grand total of 0 players with cup rings, but who cares they got a bunch of guys with olympic medals!
- GardinerExpress

NO

Yeah, isn't he the guy that plays the most minutes?

#1 dman don't grow on trees.
- Pecafan Fan

Isn't Markov your number one?

Isn't Markov your number one?
- AdamFrench

points... meh

when it comes to actual defense gunnarsson is miles better than franson

but i do like the idea of shipping phaneuf out and keeping both
- Dozzer

Gunnar's only capable of Playing top minutes because he's paired with Dion when he does.

Top pairing of Gunnarson-Franson wouldn't be very pretty, and I'm a big Gunnarson supporter.

YES
- Dozzer

NO

Um, more teams than Canada have one gold medals
- Big_Lightnin

Do the Canucks have anyone who was on the 2006 Swedish team?

Edit...yes, the sisters were on that team.

at first glance, doesn't appear to me that you guys are in disagreement.

And yes, Less minutes for Dion might be good for Dion, but not necessarily better for the team's performance.

managing his minutes in the first 2 periods in order to have him fresher for a heavier load in the 3rd might be the best strategy.
- Big_Lightnin

He wants to trade Dion...so yes, we're in disagreement.

at first glance, doesn't appear to me that you guys are in disagreement.

And yes, Less minutes for Dion might be good for Dion, but not necessarily better for the team's performance.

managing his minutes in the first 2 periods in order to have him fresher for a heavier load in the 3rd might be the best strategy.
- Big_Lightnin

Ding ding!!! We really could use to move Liles...even if it's for a defensive d in a one for one swap.

I'd disagree. He's the only guy who can play in all situations aside from Dion, and he's less than half the cap hit.

Gunnar-Blacker or Gunnar-Percy could be a very good pairing.

That said, Gunnar at $3.15M is very tradable, especially after 1-2 yrs.

Either way, Fraser is not a guy who will be around in 2 yrs. He'll look for more money if he continues his solid play, and just can't afford to pay bottom pairing guy more than $1M considering the presumed contracts of the top 4 in the net year or 2.
- Big_Lightnin

Yes he does play in all situations, I agree, but not great, he is no #2 Dman.

I would like to see him traded sooner than later if he is very tradable.

Gunner before the Hip problems was alright, he was awful afterward.

I guess it depends on which Gunnerson is coming back this season.

Do the Canucks have anyone who was on the 2006 Swedish team?
- djamon

The twins were

He wants to trade Dion...so yes, we're in disagreement.
- djamon

missed that part of it.

Yannick Weber is a Canuck idiot.
- AdamFrench

Good God that was weak...

EVEN FOR YOU!

Good God that was weak...

EVEN FOR YOU!
- Pecafan Fan