3.5M-3.75M would be ideal per year
- Mapleleafs_91

Ideal for the Leafs cap but I would guess 4+ million.

What's you're point??
- burn

I forget.

I'm cool with the signing, that's all. Cheaper would have been better, but he's not "overpaid."

Will be interesting to see how much Franson gets - guessing JML type of $$$
- MTL1

I don't see how he can get that much off of one good half season where he played sheltered minutes and barely outscored Gunnarsson at ES

I don't see how he can get that much off of one good half season where he played sheltered minutes and barely outscored Gunnarsson at ES
- toskala4vezina

He played some good hockey in Nashvilles top 4 for some time.

He played some good hockey in Nashvilles top 4 for some time.
- aminnes

He played 3rd pairing sheltered minutes in Nashville.

Fransons also played 20 more games in the LEague and 31 more points, he's getting more money than Gunn.

He played 3rd pairing sheltered minutes in Nashville.
- toskala4vezina

Also more playoff games. More more more. The sheltered minutes argument will be coming from the LEafs end no question, but I'm gonna guess 4.15 or thereabouts.

Also more playoff games. More more more. The sheltered minutes argument will be coming from the LEafs end no question, but I'm gonna guess 4.15 or thereabouts.
- aminnes

But 4.15 for what? one good half season? that's not how it works.

But 4.15 for what? one good half season? that's not how it works.
- toskala4vezina

He has had a continuous upward trend. He's also bigger and stronger, and can score points on the second PP. He had 2 or 3 very good games against Boston. In game 3 he played 28 mins scored a goal and was a plus 3. He's gonna get more money. Hey, as a fan of the team I hope your right, but I don't see it.

I don't see how he can get that much off of one good half season where he played sheltered minutes and barely outscored Gunnarsson at ES
- toskala4vezina

The Leafs misused him at first under Wilson - he was a top dman for the Preds
Now he is coming back into form

But 4.15 for what? one good half season? that's not how it works.
- toskala4vezina

Gunnerson also averaged less minutes agianst Boston and was a minus every game, and collected one assist. I'de say a playoff series is a good indicator.

The Leafs misused him at first under Wilson - he was a top dman for the Preds
Now he is coming back into form
- MTL1

Yup, he played on Nashvilles top 4 for 2 years.

The Leafs misused him at first under Wilson - he was a top dman for the Preds
Now he is coming back into form
- MTL1

Are you guys actually being serious? LOL he was 8th in Nashville in avg TOI his last 2 years there.

Mike - enjoy your posts ... One question (or suggestion) - When you add to or update an original thread, is there any way to provide a new starting point for responses?
This thread now has three separate story lines and to review comments or join discussion on the latest (Gunnarsson) there is no reasonable way to find where new comments started.
Separate thread or other option?

Are you guys actually being serious? LOL he was 8th in Nashville in avg TOI his last 2 years there.
- toskala4vezina

You are correct sir, he did play 15 minutes or so, and still bagged more points than 20-25 minute Gunn. He did play a lot of minutes against Boston though, and produced and played very well overall. He is a legit top 3 guy for sure. Again, I can't see him getting anything but 4 million or more.

Are you guys actually being serious? LOL he was 8th in Nashville in avg TOI his last 2 years there.
- toskala4vezina

nash 10.11
15.1 mins toi
8 goals 21 assists
29 points
+10

then in 11.12 tor
after being misused he managed to still put up 21 pts in 57 games

he is in store for 3.8 to 4.1/yr

Why is Bernier #1 already just because he makes more money?
- RogerRoeper

both goalies aren't unproven, just haven't proved enough. Bernier will be given every shot to be #1 and again, based on giving away a cheap effective young forward in frattin and a capable backup, then signing him to that money, yes he is #1. They obviously have enough confidence in him (ive only seen him play 3 total games) so if they start the season with reimer and wait for him to falter THEN bernier goes in, nonis should be canned.

Bernier is the sure # 1 because they didn't move that much / pay that much for an upgrade over ben scrivens who would play approx. 20 games total.

both goalies aren't unproven, just haven't proved enough. Bernier will be given every shot to be #1 and again, based on giving away a cheap effective young forward in frattin and a capable backup, then signing him to that money, yes he is #1. They obviously have enough confidence in him (ive only seen him play 3 total games) so if they start the season with reimer and wait for him to falter THEN bernier goes in, nonis should be canned.

Bernier is the sure # 1 because they didn't move that much / pay that much for an upgrade over ben scrivens who would play approx. 20 games total.
- clark_griswold

It's gonna be a media circus around the goalies this year.

It's gonna be a media circus around the goalies this year.
- aminnes

I still think reimer gets dealt before the season

Kadri will sign a short term deal for 3-4 million per.
- systemtool

What he said.

It's gonna be a media circus around the goalies this year.
- aminnes

for all the 'why did we get bernier when we have reimer?' it reminds me of when we had potvin. He was getting the job done then we signed cujo and no one understood why. Hopefully this works out the same way.

if we could get the return for reimer that we did for felix i'd be exstatic

both goalies aren't unproven, just haven't proved enough. Bernier will be given every shot to be #1 and again, based on giving away a cheap effective young forward in frattin and a capable backup, then signing him to that money, yes he is #1. They obviously have enough confidence in him (ive only seen him play 3 total games) so if they start the season with reimer and wait for him to falter THEN bernier goes in, nonis should be canned.

Bernier is the sure # 1 because they didn't move that much / pay that much for an upgrade over ben scrivens who would play approx. 20 games total.
- clark_griswold

Yes and no.
Saying Bernier is the sure #1 because of salary is ridiculous. That being said, I think there is no true #1 going into the season but Reimer should get the start. He's proved a lot more than Bernier and deserves it after the way he played last year.
But I think Management disagrees and for some reason deems Reimer as unfit for the spot. But they can't give it away so easily. They will jump on Reimer's mistakes really fast this season so they can put Bernier in, but Reimer has to make a mistake first. If there is an edge between the two, Reimer is holding it, IMO.

Yes and no.
Saying Bernier is the sure #1 because of salary is ridiculous. That being said, I think there is no true #1 going into the season but Reimer should get the start. He's proved a lot more than Bernier and deserves it after the way he played last year.
But I think Management disagrees and for some reason deems Reimer as unfit for the spot. But they can't give it away so easily. They will jump on Reimer's mistakes really fast this season so they can put Bernier in, but Reimer has to make a mistake first. If there is an edge between the two, Reimer is holding it, IMO.
- UsernameUnknown

I think reimer is okay despite the rebound. Again, I've only seen bernier play 3 games. But we can sit on here and make fantasy trades, rosters, etc but the gms make the decisions and just like you said, the gm doesn't seem to have faith in reimer.

im not saying that bernier is better as ive seen him not nearly enough. Im saying he's the #1 as it 's obvious by management's behaviour of the situation.

for all the 'why did we get bernier when we have reimer?' it reminds me of when we had potvin. He was getting the job done then we signed cujo and no one understood why. Hopefully this works out the same way.

if we could get the return for reimer that we did for felix i'd be exstatic
- clark_griswold

Not the same though, Cujo was a proven and amazing goalie for the Blues and Oilers. Bernier hasn't played more than 4 games in a row. Totally different.

I still think reimer gets dealt before the season
- clark_griswold

I've got to disagree. Reimer has consistently improved, so long as you don't count the season after Gionta's fly-by. If he continues to evolve and pushes himself to the next level the Leafs could conceivably flip Bernier. On the other hand if Bernier reaches his potential, which many in the game believe to be elite, and Reimer stands pat then Reimer could fetch a good return as he is a good starting goalie.

I think Nonis will let them duke it out this season and move the goalie that doesn't win the net.