If it's so frowned upon, why did the GMs allow it to be in the new CBA?
You don't want an offer sheet? Sign your FA's.
- jmatchett383

just look at the blues history
Scott Stevens says hello. Twice.

Its getting ugly in here. Im ducking for cover....

I said earlier, Fraser's probably a top 10 D-man in the league.
- KB3Point0

I had no idea you were serious. Jeez...

How many conference winning goals does Phanuef have?
- VANTEL

Was that the one that Bieksa was the only player on the ice who knew where the puck was? Cause that was total skill, no luck what so ever.

just look at the blues history
Scott Stevens says hello. Twice.
- Marshalle

And how many Cups did Blues get from their offersheets again? When has an offersheet actually improved the team making it in the last decade?

Flyers fans like to bring up offer-sheets because they have a gaping hole on defense and desperately want a quick fix without giving up anything from their roster. That's nice, but getting grumpy because not everyone is as willing as you to ignore the reality of the way things actually work in the NHL right now is just silly.

Never mind, you're right. he's useless. Might as well send him to the ECHL.
- jmatchett383

20 guys on a roster getting 20 might be stretching it a little.

Was that the one that Bieksa was the only player on the ice who knew where the puck was? Cause that was total skill, no luck what so ever.
- Marshalle

He kept his eyes on the puck better than everyone else.

The Oilers' cap hit is currently about $8.6M higher than Vancouver's. Edmonton has 24 players, Vancouver has 19. The Oilers also have over $9M in bonuses (can go over cap by this much, but if players achieve bonuses that put them over the cap they get that amount clawed back on next year's cap). Anyone want Hemsky for a bucket of pucks?

And how many Cups did Blues get from their offersheets again? When has an offersheet actually improved the team making it in the last decade?

Flyers fans like to bring up offer-sheets because they have a gaping hole on defense and desperately want a quick fix without giving up anything from their roster. That's nice, but getting grumpy because not everyone is as willing as you to ignore the reality of the way things actually work in the NHL right now is just silly.
- Antilles

I don't want them to OS the guy but if teams don't at least consider it then they aren't doing their jobs properly. In this specific case I think doing so would be a huge mistake no matter how much i would love to see the kid playing for the Flyers.
I don't think GMs have as much problem with as some people think, as long as you get a heads up. If you are buddies or want to remain civil with everyone you phone the guy up and say "Hey, I'm get pressure by Owner/Pres/Director x to make a play for RFA/UFA player Y and I don't know how much longer I can put him off for." That seems to be what Burke was pissed off about, being blindsided. These are multi-million dollar companies we are talking about, feelings are far less important than the bottom line and, in most cases, winning.

I would expect Kadri get something like Subban, Couture or Duchene money after their entry level contracts. Approx 2.75 mil couple of years. I don't see why he warrants more than those guys to be honest. Gunnar around 2.5mil. so what's that, 5.25mil. Fraser 1.25mil and i think Franson will prove the trickiest. MAybe 3 mil? Total of 9.5mil. My best educated guess.
- walshyleafsfan

I don't know.

If I'm Kadri, I look at the money they just shelled out to Bozak, Clarkson, etc... and I want something close because I'm likely better than either of them.

I think they will be looking at something in the 4 million range for two years at least. Franson made what, 3 million last years. I'm guessing he'll want to be in the 4 million range as well. Gunner is a 3 million ish guy in my books.

IMO, it is going to be pretty tough to fit just those three into that 9.7 million they have left.

I don't know.

If I'm Kadri, I look at the money they just shelled out to Bozak, Clarkson, etc... and I want something close because I'm likely better than either of them.

I think they will be looking at something in the 4 million range for two years at least. Franson made what, 3 million last years. I'm guessing he'll want to be in the 4 million range as well. Gunner is a 3 million ish guy in my books.

IMO, it is going to be pretty tough to fit just those three into that 9.7 million they have left.
- IanEsplen

Kadri hasn't done enough yet to earn $4M. I think they'll get all 3 in for just under the $9.7M. The players have too little leverage.

But he was 18th in Norris voting in 11/12
- IanEsplen

Bieksa is behind Edler and Hamhuis... if he was our #1 like Phaneuf is in Toronto, he'd likely win the Norris every year.

I don't know.

If I'm Kadri, I look at the money they just shelled out to Bozak, Clarkson, etc... and I want something close because I'm likely better than either of them.

I think they will be looking at something in the 4 million range for two years at least. Franson made what, 3 million last years. I'm guessing he'll want to be in the 4 million range as well. Gunner is a 3 million ish guy in my books.

IMO, it is going to be pretty tough to fit just those three into that 9.7 million they have left.
- IanEsplen

You may be right, but i can't see Kadri asking for near the same amount as a 29 year old UFA. Subban didn't get Markov money, Duchene didn't get Stastny money and Couture didn't get Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski money.
Kadri did really well, but as you guys always point out. It was only half a season. We wouldn't have made the playoffs by all accounts if it was a full year. Apparantly, Philly and Buffalo would have miraculously stopped being poop and New Jersey would have decided to start scoring goals.

How quickly people forget what a great shut down pair Bieksa and Hamhuis are.

You may be right, but i can't see Kadri asking for near the same amount as a 29 year old UFA. Subban didn't get Markov money, Duchene didn't get Stastny money and Couture didn't get Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski money.
Kadri did really well, but as you guys always point out. It was only half a season. We wouldn't have made the playoffs by all accounts if it was a full year. Apparantly, Philly and Buffalo would have miraculously stopped being poop and New Jersey would have decided to start scoring goals.
- walshyleafsfan

That is true, but the Leafs have looked for a No. 1 centre for how long now? The fact is Kadri is a better player than both those guys. If you are a better worker than nearly anyone at your job wouldn't you want to be paid like one of the better workers? How is that going to make you feel if a team screws you over just because they can?

Kadri was +20 with 48 pts last year (including playoffs). Why on earth would an organization want to Richard around with a player like that and piss them off?

They already yo-yo'd him up and down in the minors for a couple of years, and now you want to low ball the guy? Doesn't sound smart to me.

Yah you might save a million short-term, but it's going to cost you with a huge deal in the end or a pissed off player that walks.

Because the PA wants it. It ensures that teams have to pay their own players at least market value because another team could. Provides the players a little extra insurance so they can't be completely low balled by their own teams.
- KB3Point0

so if its an unwritten rule to not offer sheet a player, the GM of the team with the RFA can operate under the assumption no sheet will come and not have to pay market value. logical?

the whole unwritten rule is stupid. one, if a GM doesnt like it, sign your guys. the flyers rarely let impact players get to the point where they could sign another offer sheet. two, a GM's shelf life isnt long enough to have an impact on whether to offer sheet a guy or not. three, even if you assume it will get matched, you never know unless you try. if it does, no harm no foul, especially this far after the beginning of free agency.

so if its an unwritten rule to not offer sheet a player, the GM of the team with the RFA can operate under the assumption no sheet will come and not have to pay market value. logical?

the whole unwritten rule is stupid. one, if a GM doesnt like it, sign your guys. the flyers rarely let impact players get to the point where they could sign another offer sheet. two, a GM's shelf life isnt long enough to have an impact on whether to offer sheet a guy or not. three, even if you assume it will get matched, you never know unless you try. if it does, no harm no foul, especially this far after the beginning of free agency.
- flyershockey

The reason there's an unwritten rule is because owners don't want other team poaching on their young prospects playing while on cheap contracts. Imagine if teams all decided to say F- it and begin a feeding frenzy on offer sheets, notwithstanding the cap management going all to hell through matching, but the compensation alone for high dollar contracts would gut teams farm systems for a long time and destroy any sort of competitive balance as teams that don't match are able to stock up on draft picks in their development system.

so if its an unwritten rule to not offer sheet a player, the GM of the team with the RFA can operate under the assumption no sheet will come and not have to pay market value. logical?

the whole unwritten rule is stupid. one, if a GM doesnt like it, sign your guys. the flyers rarely let impact players get to the point where they could sign another offer sheet. two, a GM's shelf life isnt long enough to have an impact on whether to offer sheet a guy or not. three, even if you assume it will get matched, you never know unless you try. if it does, no harm no foul, especially this far after the beginning of free agency.
- flyershockey

Who said there's an unwritten rule?

The reason there's an unwritten rule is because owners don't want other team poaching on their young prospects playing while on cheap contracts. Imagine if teams all decided to say F- it and begin a feeding frenzy on offer sheets, notwithstanding the cap management going all to hell through matching, but the compensation alone for high dollar contracts would gut teams farm systems for a long time and destroy any sort of competitive balance as teams that don't match are able to stock up on draft picks in their development system.
- DariusKnight

It isn't because they don't want them poaching young prospects. If they want to pay so much that the other team isn't willing to match then that's what it's there for. It's because in the great majority of cases the team does match. Virtually never does a team not match. If you offer sheet a player that is just going to get matched then you are artificially raising their salary and cap hit. That is why teams don't like it.

It isn't because they don't want them poaching young prospects. If they want to pay so much that the other team isn't willing to match then that's what it's there for. It's because in the great majority of cases the team does match. Virtually never does a team not match. If you offer sheet a player that is just going to get matched then you are artificially raising their salary and cap hit. That is why teams don't like it.
- KB3Point0

Who cares if other teams don't like it. This is a business not a freakin support group. If forcing you to match means that it has weakened your position financially then that means that GM has done his job. It also means he had better keep his own house in order. The Flyers are one of the richest and most powerful teams in the NHL, the fact that they try to use everything at their disposal to try and put the team in a better position is fantastic.

So what you're saying is he won't be on the Olympic team.
- IanEsplen

Defencemen: Karl Alzner, Jay Bouwmeester, Dan Boyle, Drew Doughty, Mike Green, Dan Hamhuis, Travis Hamonic, Duncan Keith, Kris Letang, Marc Methot, Dion Phaneuf, Alex Pietrangelo, Brent Seabrook, Marc Staal, P.K. Subban, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Shea Weber

Looks like he was invited to the Camp though. Did Bieksa get left off as a typo or just somekind of glaring oversight???

Who cares if other teams don't like it. This is a business not a freakin support group. If forcing you to match means that it has weakened your position financially then that means that GM has done his job. It also means he had better keep his own house in order. The Flyers are one of the richest and most powerful teams in the NHL, the fact that they try to use everything at their disposal to try and put the team in a better position is fantastic.
- Marshalle

Just because your owner is in bed with the commissioner doesn't mean poop.

What has it got you? Nothing but losing seasons and early playoff exits. Oh, it's also got you some of the worst goaltenders in the history of hockey.

Leafs fans think Phaneuf is better than Bieksa?! LOL!!!
Canucks have the deepest or second deepest Defensive line up in the league. Bieksa is a big part of that. Canucks right now have at least 3 d men that are better than Phaneuf. And that's not counting Tanev or Corrado who will be better than Phaneuf by Christmas if they keep developing the way they are.

Just because your owner is in bed with the commissioner doesn't mean poop.

What has it got you? Nothing but losing seasons and early playoff exits. Oh, it's also got you some of the worst goaltenders in the history of hockey.
- Scooby_Doo

the flyers have been to the finals 6 times since they last won the cup. unfortunately they just havent been able to break through. over the past 20 years theyve had an enormous amount of success. no, they havent won a cup, but save for a few bad seasons they are in the discussion every year.

"The Flyers' all-time points percentage of .578 (as of the 2012–13 NHL season[update]) is the second best in the NHL, behind only the Montreal Canadiens' .589.[1] Additionally, the Flyers have the most appearances in the league semi-finals (known as the conference finals since the 1981–82 season) out of all 24 expansion teams." - from wikipedia

geez, the flyers suck.

also kinda funny to hear about early exits and lack of playoff success from a canucks fan...?

Just because your owner is in bed with the commissioner doesn't mean poop.

What has it got you? Nothing but losing seasons and early playoff exits. Oh, it's also got you some of the worst goaltenders in the history of hockey.
- Scooby_Doo

It puts us solidly as a Cup contender far more often then not. And it also means that if a move doesn't pan out then they will do all they can to correct it. Thats all I can ask.