He waived LAST summer...2012. He basically said as much in interviews.
- djamon

No.

He waived LAST summer...2012. He basically said as much in interviews.
- djamon

No he didn't.

He had a select number of teams he was willing to waive for.

Your version would be different I assume? I'd love to hear it.lol
- djamon

Based on your posts today, I don't believe you have the necessary attention span. Best for you to stick with your 90 second sound bites from 'media personalities'.

I never said they were all elite. I just provided a list of goalies who were either elite when they were traded or had proved that they had the potential to be elite. All of whom provide excellent examples of the fact goalies have limited trade value.
- KB3Point0

The original poster said elite goalies rarely get traded. The point being that they were elite at the time of the trade. I think he's right...it is rare. Probably for the reason you yourself said....they don't return the proper value in a trade.

Becoming elite after the fact wasn't the point.

He has even less a chance than Luongo.
- djamon

Yeah...cause Luongo has such a small chance of making the team for Sochi...

Might want to check who most people already have pencilled in to the starting role...

No he didn't.

He had a select number of teams he was willing to waive for.
- Fosco

So then yes, he did waive? Not sure where I'm wrong, TBH.

Based on your posts today, I don't believe you have the necessary attention span. Best for you to stick with your 90 second sound bites from 'media personalities'.
- YeOldTimer

I thought so. Thanks though.

Yeah...cause Luongo has such a small chance of making the team for Sochi...

Might want to check who most people already have pencilled in to the starting role...
- Fosco

You keep arguing with me while basically agreeing with me.

So then yes, he did waive? Not sure where I'm wrong, TBH.
- djamon

He had a list of 5 teams.

None of which wanted him.

Go get yourself a cookie if you think you're right, but it doesn't support the argument you were making earlier.

Waiving for a select list of 5 teams is not the same as universally waiving it to accept a trade anywhere.

He had a list of 5 teams.

None of which wanted him.

Go get yourself a cookie if you think you're right, but it doesn't support the argument you were making earlier.

Waiving for a select list of 5 teams is not the same as universally waiving it to accept a trade anywhere.
- Fosco

He had a full NTC. He was willing to waive it for, what you say was 5 teams. That's waiving it in my book. He didn't have to waive it at all, right?

And yes...I will have a cookie.

You keep arguing with me while basically agreeing with me.
- djamon

I've only made like 5 or 6 comments on this whole blog.

If I was arguing with you, I would be a lot more heated.

You're not really worth the time.

I assumed you were making a sarcastic comment about Luongo having slim chances of making the team—didn't feel it was worth the time to back check.

The original poster said elite goalies rarely get traded. The point being that they were elite at the time of the trade. I think he's right...it is rare. Probably for the reason you yourself said....they don't return the proper value in a trade.

Becoming elite after the fact wasn't the point.
- djamon

He was responding to my point that goalies have little trade value, so it exactly was the point.

He had a full NTC. He was willing to waive it for, what you say was 5 teams. That's waiving it in my book. He didn't have to waive it at all, right?

And yes...I will have a cookie.
- djamon

It still doesn't aid Gillis in making a trade if none of those 5 teams want anything to do with Luongo.

You're changing your argument now.

Anyways, this is getting ridiculous, so I'm going to kindly wish you a good night and a delicious cookie, and ignore your comments.

I've only made like 5 or 6 comments on this whole blog.

If I was arguing with you, I would be a lot more heated.

You're not really worth the time.

I assumed you were making a sarcastic comment about Luongo having slim chances of making the team—didn't feel it was worth the time to back check.
- Fosco

I think Luongo's chances are less than Price's. But Price needs to regain the form he had early last year. If Luongo gets his head in the right place he has a chance, but no one has him "pencilled in".

My comment was more a shot at Miller.

So then yes, he did waive? Not sure where I'm wrong, TBH.
- djamon

Actually, if you want to get technical, he never waived it.

It still doesn't aid Gillis in making a trade if none of those 5 teams want anything to do with Luongo.

You're changing your argument now.

Anyways, this is getting ridiculous, so I'm going to kindly wish you a good night and a delicious cookie, and ignore your comments.
- Fosco

How am I changing my argument?

Actually, if you want to get technical, he never waived it.
- KB3Point0

Ok...so if you were to get technical...what did he do?

So then yes, he did waive? Not sure where I'm wrong, TBH.
- djamon

He was never asked to waive before a trade offer to TO was put before him, he declined the trade because he had been told by an insider in the Panthers organization that they were going to put an offer together to trade for him. This has been widely reported and Luongo confirmed it himself in an interview with Jason Botchford (a reporter for the Vancouver Province). I don't have the link handy but there were several stories done about this.

How am I changing my argument?



He refused to deal Luongo last summer at the draft when all reports say he had chances to do it. Luongo had essentially waived his NTC because he just wanted the Hell out of Van. But Gillis still thought he could save face and make a "hockey trade". Even knuckleheads like me knew that would never happen, but Gillis' ego prevented him from taking the best deal on the table


- djamon

Lou did not "essentially [waive] his NTC", he gave a list of teams. That is not the same thing.

Gillis's ego did not "[prevent] him from taking the best deal", Luongo's refusal to waive for any team that made an offer prevented Gillis from taking the best deal.

Again, have a great night

He was never asked to waive before a trade offer to TO was put before him, he declined the trade because he had been told by an insider in the Panthers organization that they were going to put an offer together to trade for him. This has been widely reported and Luongo confirmed it himself in an interview with Jason Botchford (a reporter for the Vancouver Province). I don't have the link handy but there were several stories done about this.
- DariusKnight

Exactly what I heard as well. What is not stated is if Fla did make an offer? Maybe they did and Gillis said no because he wanted more. No one knows. My guess is they made an offer and MG wanted more because of what the leafs offered at the draft and he was trying to get similar value.

Goalies are like QB's in the NFL. Almost impossible to get fair value in the deal. Look at Cutler getting traded to the bears. That is a landslide towards the bears. We all love horvat but if CS ends up being the the elite top 5 guy we all think he can be Horvat will essentially have to be the next great top line Center for us to not lose the deal. I hope the kid lives up to the hype for sure.

Exactly what I heard as well. What is not stated is if Fla did make an offer? Maybe they did and Gillis said no because he wanted more. No one knows. My guess is they made an offer and MG wanted more because of what the leafs offered at the draft and he was trying to get similar value.

Goalies are like QB's in the NFL. Almost impossible to get fair value in the deal. Look at Cutler getting traded to the bears. That is a landslide towards the bears. We all love horvat but if CS ends up being the the elite top 5 guy we all think he can be Horvat will essentially have to be the next great top line Center for us to not lose the deal. I hope the kid lives up to the hype for sure.
- Bluechip23

I don't think CS is going to be top 5... not with the Devils at least, it's more likely he'll sign somewhere else after his contract is up. The Devils are going to be horrible for the next several years due to Kovalchuk 'retiring' to play in the KHL, their trade of the 9th overall pick this year and the loss of their first rounder (which is going to hurt because it'll likely be much higher) this year due to the signing of said contract. Horvat won't enter his prime until CS moves out of his, so you can't really judge this trade for 7 years down the road. I think Gillis should have gotten more for CS from the Devils, maybe a bigger package to get Henrique and the 9th, but by getting the 9th overall, he made up for the loss of the 2nd rounder he traded for Roy and ended up getting what might be the steal of the draft in Shinkaruk which if he and Horvat develop like they're projected would easily replace Henrik and Daniel on the 1st line in a few years.

Not fact.....opinion.....
- chompsey

I would say taking Schneider out and putting in Lack makes us weaker is a fact not an opinion

Even though I want Raymond and Laperiere gone replacing them with Richardson and the Italian guy makes us weaker is more of a fact than an opinion.

Ok...so if you were to get technical...what did he do?
- djamon

I already told you how it went down. You disagreed despite admitting that you didn't know. You were wrong.

I would say taking Schneider out and putting in Lack makes us weaker is a fact not an opinion

Even though I want Raymond and Laperiere gone replacing them with Richardson and the Italian guy makes us weaker is more of a fact than an opinion.
- VANTEL

Losing Schneider does make us weaker, but that's my opinion not a fact. Replacing Lapierre and Raymond with Richardson and a rookie could easily make us better, so that is far from a fact.

I could also say that replacing AV with Torts will make us better and will more than make up for the loss of Schneider. It's at least as factual as any of your assertions.

Losing Schneider does make us weaker, but that's my opinion not a fact. Replacing Lapierre and Raymond with Richardson and a rookie could easily make us better, so that is far from a fact.

I could also say that replacing AV with Torts will make us better and will more than make up for the loss of Schneider. It's at least as factual as any of your assertions.
- KB3Point0

Lots of factpinions that everyone is making. I will give mine. Torts could also make us worse. There is a reason he has been fired both from TB and NYR. He could also be the guy that makes us a champion. Anything is possible. I do think Lu is not as good as CS right now. Based on the play of both goalies last year and when looking at the numbers Lu will give up 36 more goals over an 82 game season. I think LU will bounce back and have a better year but I don't think it will be a 2.11 GAA that CS had. Plus I would be shocked if the backup Goalies had a GAA in the in the low 2's.

If you just take LU's GAA over the last 5 seasons. (2.34, 2.57, 2.11, 2.41,2.56) one can clearly see he will most probably land in the 2. 25 - 2.45 range. Torts block shots and defensive system will be a huge factor in what happens with our overall GA allowed total.