They do not have trade value. That is a fact supported by the minimal value that teams have typically received for goalies in trades.

The reason is simple, there are lots of goalies. Teams always hope they can develop their own or get one for cheap that can catch fire at the right time.

Reality.
- KB3Point0

OK, So Reimer caught fire at the right time.

Hypothetically corys already gone and Lou doesnt want to be here. Would you trade Reimer for lou?

So build a winner and players will sign there. It has nothing to do with winter. Pittsburgh and Detroit are ugly cities with brutal winters, too.
- micah555

Have you been to an edmonton winter and one in Detroit and Pittsburgh?

Deffinitley a chance, I just think Shneiders a better goalie, and the reason Quicks looks better is because of the bigger grittier team infront of him.
- vancity787

I love Schneider's game, but you gotta give credit where credit's due, even if it's to a member of the Kings. Quick's outstanding. Came off back surgery this season too.

OK, So Reimer caught fire at the right time.

Hypothetically corys already gone and Lou doesnt want to be here. Would you trade Reimer for lou?
- vancity787

Yes, but only cause Lu wants out and we have Eriksson, Lack and Cannata coming up over the next few years.

Luongo
Kipprusoff
Halak
Lehtonen
Hasek
Giguere
Rask
Vokoun
Belfour
Vernon
Bernier
Schneider

Just to name a few.
- KB3Point0

Luongo - Great example.
Kipprusoff - Wasn't a starter, had played 47 games over 3 years. Definitely NOT elite.
Halak - Not a starter when dealt.
Lehtonen - Very average goalie.
Hasek - Wasn't a starter when dealt.
Giguere - Salary dump...past his prime when dealt.
Rask - Wasn't even in North America...not applicable.
Vokoun - Decent example...maybe not quite elite.
Belfour - Not elite when traded, regained form and signed as UFA with Leafs.
Vernon - Elite? Hmmmm.
Bernier - Backup when traded.
Schneider - Maybe one day.

Wrong.
- KB3Point0

I know YOU think that's wrong...but you realize you're in the minority on this, right?

lol, I meant Miller, Quick. Ive been reading TSN too much today.

Trust me, I'm aware.
- vancity787

Also note that despite every rumour having Buffalo attempting to trade Miller they have so far not found an offer they like enough to pull the trigger on a deal. Proven goalie with only 1 year left on his contract. Just not enough value in trading goalies.

Yes, but only cause Lu wants out and we have Eriksson, Lack and Cannata coming up over the next few years.
- KB3Point0

Big woop, none of them have played a game in the NHL in there life...... Horrible response.

Do If you're making an argument for winning NOW, You are failing miserabley.

Luongo - Great example.
Kipprusoff - Wasn't a starter, had played 47 games over 3 years. Definitely NOT elite.
Halak - Not a starter when dealt.
Lehtonen - Very average goalie.
Hasek - Wasn't a starter when dealt.
Giguere - Salary dump...past his prime when dealt.
Rask - Wasn't even in North America...not applicable.
Vokoun - Decent example...maybe not quite elite.
Belfour - Not elite when traded, regained form and signed as UFA with Leafs.
Vernon - Elite? Hmmmm.
Bernier - Backup when traded.
Schneider - Maybe one day.
- djamon

Not bad—Gillis got a 9th overall pick in what was considered one of the deepest drafts in years for a goalie that isn't even elite...

Also note that despite every rumour having Buffalo attempting to trade Miller they have so far not found an offer they like enough to pull the trigger on a deal. Proven goalie with only 1 year left on his contract. Just not enough value in trading goalies.
- KB3Point0

I deffinitley dont conider him the front runner. The guy is the definition of hot and cold.

Personally He comes across as a whiny b!tch and i wouldnt want him on my team.

Also note that despite every rumour having Buffalo attempting to trade Miller they have so far not found an offer they like enough to pull the trigger on a deal. Proven goalie with only 1 year left on his contract. Just not enough value in trading goalies.
- KB3Point0

This was a terrible year for the goalie market. Halak and/or Elliot were both on the market too. Bernier, Luongo, Nabakov, Hiller as well.

I know YOU think that's wrong...but you realize you're in the minority on this, right?
- djamon

No.

The paragraph he bolded was wrong. Lou never waived his NTC at the draft, and it's highly speculated that he put the kaibosh on a deal to TO last summer.

He refused to deal Luongo last summer at the draft when all reports say he had chances to do it. Luongo had essentially waived his NTC because he just wanted the Hell out of Van. But Gillis still thought he could save face and make a "hockey trade". Even knuckleheads like me knew that would never happen, but Gillis' ego prevented him from taking the best deal on the table.

Instead he wasted a full year of the Sedins (who don't have all that many left) by creating an untenable goalie situation. That team was doomed...and that was on Gillis, IMO. You can blame the new CBA for how things had to go, but every team knew there was going to be a price for those deals, and every team knew the Cap was going to plummet this year. If Gillis didn't know that he's just stupid.

This isn't news...it's what 99% of the hockey world thinks happened. You can't spin it by saying it was Luongo driving the bus when it wasn't. Luongo didn't say he wanted out or refused to play for the Canucks until they told him that Schneider was their guy and they were going to try and trade Lu.
- djamon

A fantastic summary of stupid opinions by various loudmouth sportscasters. Nothing original whatsoever. So full of inaccuracies, misinformation, and ill-conceived notions, and yet you're so confident that it's all true. A truly astounding display of determined ignorance. Welcome to Hockeybuzz, you're home.

No.

The paragraph he bolded was wrong. Lou never waived his NTC at the draft, and it's highly speculated that he put the kaibosh on a deal to TO last summer.
- Fosco

YUP. That is 100% fact. Not sure if it was summer or at the draft.. What I heard was the deal was done at the draft and was brought to LU and he said no I will wait for florida. In the summer I think he said trade me wherever and by that time it was too late.

No.

The paragraph he bolded was wrong. Lou never waived his NTC at the draft, and it's highly speculated that he put the kaibosh on a deal to TO last summer.
- Fosco

Maybe I have the exact timing off, but Luongo did say, in interviews, he'd be willing to waive his NTC. Since most of the chatter was around the draft it makes sense it was around this time he said it.

I know the assumption was that he wanted to go back to Florida, but any rumours of him vetoing a trade to the Leafs is only speculation. It was also speculated that Gillis had an offer from the Leafs and turned it down. Also, that one of the reasons Burke was fired was his desire to trade for Luongo didn't jibe with Ownership's view on things.

Luongo - Great example.
Kipprusoff - Wasn't a starter, had played 47 games over 3 years. Definitely NOT elite.
Halak - Not a starter when dealt.
Lehtonen - Very average goalie.
Hasek - Wasn't a starter when dealt.
Giguere - Salary dump...past his prime when dealt.
Rask - Wasn't even in North America...not applicable.
Vokoun - Decent example...maybe not quite elite.
Belfour - Not elite when traded, regained form and signed as UFA with Leafs.
Vernon - Elite? Hmmmm.
Bernier - Backup when traded.
Schneider - Maybe one day.
- djamon

Weak analysis.

A fantastic summary of stupid opinions by various loudmouth sportscasters. Nothing original whatsoever. So full of inaccuracies, misinformation, and ill-conceived notions, and yet you're so confident that it's all true. A truly astounding display of determined ignorance. Welcome to Hockeybuzz, you're home.
- YeOldTimer

Your version would be different I assume? I'd love to hear it. lol

Big woop, none of them have played a game in the NHL in there life...... Horrible response.

Do If you're making an argument for winning NOW, You are failing miserabley.
- vancity787

No, if Lu wants out and they can trade him, do it. We could pick up someone like Miller for this season if we needed to.

Have you been to an edmonton winter and one in Detroit and Pittsburgh?
- vancity787

I've done Calgary and Toronto. Is that not close enough?

I deffinitley dont conider him the front runner. The guy is the definition of hot and cold.

Personally He comes across as a whiny b!tch and i wouldnt want him on my team.
- vancity787

The front runner for what? Sochi??? He'll be lucky to be on the team.

Weak analysis.
- KB3Point0

Some is analysis...some is just simple facts. Whether they were elite would be a matter of opinion...whether they were backups is simply facts.

The front runner for what? Sochi??? He'll be lucky to be on the team.
- KB3Point0

He has even less a chance than Luongo.

Maybe I have the exact timing off, but Luongo did say, in interviews, he'd be willing to waive his NTC. Since most of the chatter was around the draft it makes sense it was around this time he said it.

I know the assumption was that he wanted to go back to Florida, but any rumours of him vetoing a trade to the Leafs is only speculation. It was also speculated that Gillis had an offer from the Leafs and turned it down. Also, that one of the reasons Burke was fired was his desire to trade for Luongo didn't jibe with Ownership's view on things.
- djamon

You do have the timing wrong and that is the entire point. He would not waive his NTC (not speculation, reported fact) until it was too late. Once he agreed to waive it the CBA had changed and there were no longer any offers. You are wrong.

You do have the timing wrong and that is the entire point. He would not waive his NTC (not speculation, reported fact) until it was too late. Once he agreed to waive it the CBA had changed and there were no longer any offers. You are wrong.
- KB3Point0

He waived LAST summer...2012. He basically said as much in interviews.

Some is analysis...some is just simple facts. Whether they were elite would be a matter of opinion...whether they were backups is simply facts.
- djamon

I never said they were all elite. I just provided a list of goalies who were either elite when they were traded or had proved that they had the potential to be elite. All of whom provide excellent examples of the fact goalies have limited trade value.