They couldn't trade Luongo after the CBA because nobody would take his contract. Ownership wouldn't buy out the contract (Gillis asked). So there's only one option left, trade Schneider. That isn't a mismanagement of assets. You have yet to explain HOW they mismanaged the situation.

Guess what, Philly was in an even worse position because they had to buyout Bryz without another goalie (well, without another good goalie) there to take over. At least Luongo is still a very good goalie.
- KB3Point0

Ian needs to include this comment in the first post of every new thread. Hopefully it deters a few of the 'guests' who stop by to regurgitate the over-simplified opinions of the Toronto Talking Heads Committee.

I guess if you're a complete idiot it's super easy to smugly say Canuck's management made a huge mistake and 'mishandled' the situation, but the general ignorance of the set of events that resulted in the trading of Cory Schneider is growing tiresome.

if you are this good at predicting the future, what else can you tell me?
- flyershockey

That the Flyers will regret not trading for Schneider. That your goalie situation next year will be a disaster, again. That Flyers fans will hate Mark Streit in 2 or 3 years.

See to me that looks like a pure panic mode trade by the Canucks. Their goaltending situation has been handled about as poorly as possible. In my opinion.
- Marshalle

A year and a half is a long time to be in panic mode. Isn't it?

you seriously want to open that door again? The flyer fan isn't making good points but to say that situation wasn't mismanaged was like saying the emperor isn't naked.
- Isles_since_6

No. Bored of talking Luongo. Just don't like someone telling me my team made all these mistakes that they didn't actually make. The situation was not handled well, but to simply say they blew it all is just not understanding the many things that played a part in the whole mess. Without the recapture Luongo would have been traded during the season. The rules changed and we got screwed. Gillis did the best he could have out of a crappy situation.

Horvat could help us forget about Schneider. So could Eriksson or Lack.

Does anybody here think it just didn't work cap wise

Philly would of had to take on 4 mil more and then couldn't sign lecavalier and streit
Vancouver couldn't take money back period be aquaman wasn't willing to buyout booth. Horvat will be good. Schneider will be good. End of story

Does anybody here think it just didn't work cap wise

Philly would of had to take on 4 mil more and then couldn't sign lecavalier and streit
Vancouver couldn't take money back period be aquaman wasn't willing to buyout booth. Horvat will be good. Schneider will be good. End of story
- The_Kuze

Philly does not have a cap. They are cap exempt.

I agree.

Just not something better.
- Scabeh

Not really as cut and dried as that. Based on team need, maybe.

Pacioretty in his last 4 seasons has a 0.67 point/game average (as a forward).

Edler in his last 4 season has a 0.57 point/game average (as a D).

Edler also outhits and blocks far more shots.

And also, Max has never scored 35 goals in a season, like you claimed in an earlier post. Was on pace for less than 30 in a full season this year.



Again, comes down to team need.

If MTL needs a winger more than a D, than so be it, Max is better FOR MTL.

But I'm not so sure he's the better player.

I would definitely not be thrilled if all the Canucks got back for Edler was Pacioretty.

Would rather just keep Edler.

Not really as cut and dried as that. Based on team need, maybe.

Pacioretty in his last 4 seasons has a 0.67 point/game average (as a forward).

Edler in his last 4 season has a 0.57 point/game average (as a D).

Edler also outhits and blocks far more shots.

And also, Max has never scored 35 goals in a season, like you claimed in an earlier post. Was on pace for less than 30 in a full season this year.



Again, comes down to team need.

If MTL needs a winger more than a D, than so be it, Max is better FOR MTL.

But I'm not so sure he's the better player.

I would definitely not be thrilled if all the Canucks got back for Edler was Pacioretty.

Would rather just keep Edler.
- Fosco

I guess he missed the don't insult Edler around Fosco memo

Man that sucks....James Reimer not invited to team Canada camp

Love the Lu talk. I thought we had enough of this for the last 3 yrs. Lu should have been traded he didnt. I think MG is a fool. Never been a fan of his. I hope he gets canned after another 1st round exit.

I guess he missed the don't insult Edler around Fosco memo
- VANTEL

I didn't take it as an insult—didn't see a negative comment about Edler at all.

I took it as an incorrect statement.

Not really as cut and dried as that. Based on team need, maybe.

Pacioretty in his last 4 seasons has a 0.67 point/game average (as a forward).

Edler in his last 4 season has a 0.57 point/game average (as a D).

Edler also outhits and blocks far more shots.

And also, Max has never scored 35 goals in a season, like you claimed in an earlier post. Was on pace for less than 30 in a full season this year.



Again, comes down to team need.

If MTL needs a winger more than a D, than so be it, Max is better FOR MTL.

But I'm not so sure he's the better player.

I would definitely not be thrilled if all the Canucks got back for Edler was Pacioretty.

Would rather just keep Edler.
- Fosco

It's not even as cut and dry as that. If you narrow your search a bit, Pacioretty had a 0.88 pt/gm avg last season, with a 0.82 avg the full season prior. He's coming into his own.

Pacioretty also played for one of the lowest scoring teams in the league over the past 4 seasons and never alongside what I'd consider premium talent. Edler has played for one of the highest scoring teams over the last 4 seasons, one who's system favors the D rush, and also logged decent minutes on one of the league's most potent PPs over that time (last season excluded).

It's tough to compare apples for apples when they're playing in different positions, on different team philosophies, logging different minutes with different caliber players. Ehrhoff's average numbers were never as good with SJ or BUF as they were with Vancouver. Likewise I suspect Edler's would fall too if he was dealt to a less offensive-minded team whereas Pacioretty's might actually increase if he moved to a team like Van.

But of course until the deal is made and the theory is actually trialled we'll never know. But we badly need a top 6 forward and I do believe Paciretty is one. If that trade were to come past MG's desk, I'm definitely listening and wouldn't need much tweaking before I'd accept.

Shocker. 2 on, 2 out and Rasmus strikes out.

I think it's awesome that at least this coming year eastern teams will play western teams again, then at least some of these toronto fans might actually know what the hell they are talking about(or philly fans).

It's not even as cut and dry as that. If you narrow your search a bit, Pacioretty had a 0.88 pt/gm avg last season, with a 0.82 avg the full season prior. He's coming into his own.

Pacioretty also played for one of the lowest scoring teams in the league over the past 4 seasons and never alongside what I'd consider premium talent. Edler has played for one of the highest scoring teams over the last 4 seasons, one who's system favors the D rush, and also logged decent minutes on one of the league's most potent PPs over that time (last season excluded).

It's tough to compare apples for apples when they're playing in different positions, on different team philosophies, logging different minutes with different caliber players. Ehrhoff's average numbers were never as good with SJ or BUF as they were with Vancouver. Likewise I suspect Edler's would fall too if he was dealt to a less offensive-minded team whereas Pacioretty's might actually increase if he moved to a team like Van.

But of course until the deal is made and the theory is actually trialled we'll never know. But we badly need a top 6 forward and I do believe Paciretty is one. If that trade were to come past MG's desk, I'm definitely listening and wouldn't need much tweaking before I'd accept.
- AlexF

True about Pacioretty just coming into his own, and comparing F to D, which is why I thought it was important to put their point/game averages—the fact that they're similar despite Edler being a D is valid.

But Edler is also coming off a season where nearly the entire team under performed.

And if you go by the traditional development curve for defenders, he likely hasn't hit his prime yet.

Either way, I've never been a big fan of Pacioretty. Demanding playing time or a trade when he was a rookie/sophomore sets off some red flags.

True about Pacioretty just coming into his own, and comparing F to D, which is why I thought it was important to put their point/game averages—the fact that they're similar despite Edler being a D is valid.

But Edler is also coming off a season where nearly the entire team under performed.

And if you go by the traditional development curve for defenders, he likely hasn't hit his prime yet.

Either way, I've never been a big fan of Pacioretty. Demanding playing time or a trade when he was a rookie/sophomore sets off some red flags.
- Fosco

Actually the situation was he didn't think it was doing his progress any good being with the big club and playing 5 minutes a night so he asked to be sent to the minors. seemed to work out pretty well because he had a breakout season the following year

True about Pacioretty just coming into his own, and comparing F to D, which is why I thought it was important to put their point/game averages—the fact that they're similar despite Edler being a D is valid.

But Edler is also coming off a season where nearly the entire team under performed.

And if you go by the traditional development curve for defenders, he likely hasn't hit his prime yet.

Either way, I've never been a big fan of Pacioretty. Demanding playing time or a trade when he was a rookie/sophomore sets off some red flags.
- Fosco

Hunter has set some flags too

Hunter has set some flags too
- RF_4eva

How?

I think it's awesome that at least this coming year eastern teams will play western teams again, then at least some of these toronto fans might actually know what the hell they are talking about(or philly fans).
- rune_74

Before we get all high and might about the western conference record. Lets understand that head to head the records of the conferences are almost identical. The elite teams of each conference are excellent. The canucks record I dont expect to crack 100 pts this year because i expect some regression due to the tougher division we are in.

Actually the situation was he didn't think it was doing his progress any good being with the big club and playing 5 minutes a night so he asked to be sent to the minors. seemed to work out pretty well because he had a breakout season the following year
- qwijibo

I heard what Fosco heard too so thanks for clarifying. That makes total sense. Rumors...

I heard what Fosco heard too so thanks for clarifying. That makes total sense. Rumors...
- AlexF

He took some flack from fans for trying to dictate how he was being used. But he clearly understood his development was being hindered. I say good on him asking to be sent down so he could get some quality minutes in

Before we get all high and might about the western conference record. Lets understand that head to head the records of the conferences are almost identical. The elite teams of each conference are excellent. The canucks record I dont expect to crack 100 pts this year because i expect some regression due to the tougher division we are in.
- Bluechip23

Actually, I think the tougher division might do the opposite, more competition might make the team play harder against divisional foes instead of coasting. Having SJ and LA who are (or have become) playoff rivals might light a fire under the team as playing 6 games against Calgary, Minnesota, Edmonton and Colorado never did.

How?
- Fosco

The rumours about him having off ice issues or something like that..

The rumours about him having off ice issues or something like that..
- RF_4eva

Unsubstantiated rumours about him being cocky in his combine interviews aren't really "red flag" territory to me.

The interviews I have seen lead me to believe his character is a strength, not a weakness.

Philly does not have a cap. They are cap exempt.
- VANTEL

there are teams in much worse shape than the flyers.