So they shouldn't have signed Schneider and just let him sign an offer sheet and walk? That's how they mishandled the situation? By retaining their asset???
- KB3Point0

Yes it was a mismanagement of assets. The team ended up trading what everyone here says was the better player, with better contract for less than was said to have been offered for the older guy with the much worse contract. I can only imagine what everyone would have been saying for the last couple of years if it was the Flyers instead of the Canucks going through this.

You said "you can win with any goalie as long as they arent terrible."

You don't read so good cause I never claimed that you said you can with with "bad goaltending." I never said you need the greatest goalie either. All I said was that the "goalie is the most important position on the team" and that "without good goaltending it's difficult to even make the playoffs" let alone win in them.

If you have a mediocre goalie who gets hot at the right time and plays very well in the playoffs then you have a shot to win in the playoffs because you got good goaltending when you needed it.
- KB3Point0

and my counter is that there are al ot of goalies in the nhl that are capable of doing that, so giving up one of your top prospects for a goalie who may or may not be elite isnt worth it. just differing viewpoints is all.

So they shouldn't have signed Schneider and just let him sign an offer sheet and walk? That's how they mishandled the situation? By retaining their asset???
- KB3Point0

Besides they didn't retain "their asset".

They should have dealt with it more quietly.... Pretty hard though when they sit there starting goalie in the playoffs. ( and he is signed for 100 years)

Edit.... Would you have just bit the bullet and kept luongo in net against the Kings?
- SMP8719

Do you know anything about what happened here? Luongo publicly stated it would be best if he wasn't here anymore after we lost to LA. It wasn't management who did it, it was Luongo. And he probably wishes now that he'd shut his mouth, but he was reacting based on emotion. It wasn't management's fault, it was Luongo's.

I would have played Schneider vs. LA when they did, but I would have played Luongo this year against SJ. Putting Schneider in was a huge mistake. He was far from 100%. Management wanted them to leave Luongo in net, it was AV's call to put in Schneider.

Besides they didn't retain "their asset".
- Marshalle

ummmm getting a top ten pick for him ... would be considered retaining an asset.

Yes it was a mismanagement of assets. The team ended up trading what everyone here says was the better player, with better contract for less than was said to have been offered for the older guy with the much worse contract. I can only imagine what everyone would have been saying for the last couple of years if it was the Flyers instead of the Canucks going through this.
- Marshalle

They couldn't trade him after the CBA because nobody would take his contract. Ownership wouldn't buy out the contract (Gillis asked). So there's only one option left, trade Schneider. That isn't a mismanagement of assets. You have yet to explain HOW they mismanaged the situation.

Guess what, Philly was in an even worse position because they had to buyout Bryz without another goalie (well, without another good goalie) there to take over. At least Luongo is still a very good goalie.

"To WPG- Stafford and Adam
For
To BUF- Wheeler"
Brutal

"To TOR- Bieksa and Tanev
For
To PHI- Phaneuf
For
To VAN- Hartnell and Franson"
Brutal

"To PHX- Jordan Schroeder
For
To VAN- David Rundblad"
Brutal-est

Do you know anything about what happened here? Luongo publicly stated it would be best if he wasn't here anymore after we lost to LA. It wasn't management who did it, it was Luongo. And he probably wishes now that he'd shut his mouth, but he was reacting based on emotion. It wasn't management's fault, it was Luongo's.

I would have played Schneider vs. LA when they did, but I would have played Luongo this year against SJ. Putting Schneider in was a huge mistake. He was far from 100%. Management wanted them to leave Luongo in net, it was AV's call to put in Schneider.
- KB3Point0

Easy there tiger..... please let us all know what happened ... from a prophets point of view... and yes obviously he did cause he was sat.... hurt his Italian Stallion and wanted out!!! But obviously that was going to happen so that was on management. and for the record... you go with the best chance of winning... which was the right call against the kings... but as you said the wrong call against the sharks.

TSN page. these two comments got the most likes.

Karma: 024 Yeahs/6 BoosYeahBoohabs_1991 24 mins ago

Looks like a solid list of players, will be a tough roster to choose. But Dion Phaneuf? Really? Even Leafs fans must think that is a joke.

Karma: 021 Yeahs/2 BoosYeahBootfalcone.86 24 mins ago

I like Phaneuf a lot, but this reminds me of when Bryan McCabe got caught playing on the
- Scooby_Doo

Phanuef reminds me of Bieksa on more expensive

and my counter is that there are al ot of goalies in the nhl that are capable of doing that, so giving up one of your top prospects for a goalie who may or may not be elite isnt worth it. just differing viewpoints is all.
- flyershockey

I understand that, but Schneider is about as close to a lock as you're going to get. You're much better off rolling the dice with a guy who has a 90% shot at having a great playoff every year than with a guy who's a 30% shot. You'll win way more. That's what separates the elite goalies from the rest. It isn't that their peak is that much higher it's that they reach that peak much more consistently. That's what Philly has been missing, and that's what Schneider could offer. In 8 years look back at how well Schneider has played and remember that you could have had him for Couturier. It will prove to have been a steal for Philly.

Besides they didn't retain "their asset".
- Marshalle

They retained their asset which they were able to trade for a top 10 pick in one of the most stacked drafts in recent history.

schroeder's becoming VAN fans new "Paajarvi". include him in any deal for anybody. He's a 5'9(generous) 3rd liner. Not big value there. Basically Omark

Do you know anything about what happened here? Luongo publicly stated it would be best if he wasn't here anymore after we lost to LA. It wasn't management who did it, it was Luongo. And he probably wishes now that he'd shut his mouth, but he was reacting based on emotion. It wasn't management's fault, it was Luongo's.

I would have played Schneider vs. LA when they did, but I would have played Luongo this year against SJ. Putting Schneider in was a huge mistake. He was far from 100%. Management wanted them to leave Luongo in net, it was AV's call to put in Schneider.
- KB3Point0

The boss couldn't handle his messes internally damaging any potential return for the players involved. If he can't handle his employees, then how is it NOT his fault.

schroeder's becoming VAN fans new "Paajarvi". include him in any deal for anybody. He's a 5'9(generous) 3rd liner. Not big value there. Basically Omark
- TheNugeIsHuge

Schroeder has virtually no trade value. 2nd round pick or a B prospect at best.

The boss couldn't handle his messes internally damaging any potential return for the players involved. If he can't handle his employees, then how is it NOT his fault.
- Marshalle

Ah, so Gillis' mismanagement of the whole situation was that Luongo stated it would be best if he wasn't here anymore. Yeah, that makes sense.

I understand that, but Schneider is about as close to a lock as you're going to get. You're much better off rolling the dice with a guy who has a 90% shot at having a great playoff every year than with a guy who's a 30% shot. You'll win way more. That's what separates the elite goalies from the rest. It isn't that their peak is that much higher it's that they reach that peak much more consistently. That's what Philly has been missing, and that's what Schneider could offer. In 8 years look back at how well Schneider has played and remember that you could have had him for Couturier. It will prove to have been a steal for Philly.
- KB3Point0

If thats the case then it would have been a steal for any team in the league. And the Canucks gave him away for someone who may never play an NHL game. Asset mismanagement.

Schroeder has virtually no trade value. 2nd round pick or a B prospect at best.
- KB3Point0

I think a lot of Vancouver Fans would be ok with getting a 2nd rounder.... although we are losing since JS was a late first rounder... but a short C that hasn't made progress enough to be a second line center isn't worth much and the Canucks have some prospects that should turn out to be at least better third line centers.

Ah, so Gillis' mismanagement of the whole situation was that Luongo stated it would be best if he wasn't here anymore. Yeah, that makes sense.
- KB3Point0

No that was only the START of how it was mismanaged.

I understand that, but Schneider is about as close to a lock as you're going to get. You're much better off rolling the dice with a guy who has a 90% shot at having a great playoff every year than with a guy who's a 30% shot. You'll win way more. That's what separates the elite goalies from the rest. It isn't that their peak is that much higher it's that they reach that peak much more consistently. That's what Philly has been missing, and that's what Schneider could offer. In 8 years look back at how well Schneider has played and remember that you could have had him for Couturier. It will prove to have been a steal for Philly.
- KB3Point0

if you are this good at predicting the future, what else can you tell me?

If NJ just signed the old guy for 4 mil then Booth's paltry 4.2 locked in for 2 more years must be worth 2x firsts and a second to the Devils?

If NJ just signed the old guy for 4 mil then Booth's paltry 4.2 locked in for 2 more years must be worth 2x firsts and a second to the Devils?
- VANTEL

Jagr is a classic mercenary going to the highest bidder. Is he still trying to pay off gambling debts?

if you are this good at predicting the future, what else can you tell me?
- flyershockey

Woops

They couldn't trade him after the CBA because nobody would take his contract. Ownership wouldn't buy out the contract (Gillis asked). So there's only one option left, trade Schneider. That isn't a mismanagement of assets. You have yet to explain HOW they mismanaged the situation.
- KB3Point0

you seriously want to open that door again? The flyer fan isn't making good points but to say that situation wasn't mismanaged was like saying the emperor isn't naked.

oh and this?

Nucker101

To VAN- Evgeni Nabakov, John Tavares, Brock Nelson, Josh Bailey, Ryan Strome and Kyle Okposo
For
To NYI- Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Roberto Luongo, Jordan Schroeder and cash/capspace

Nucker101's Thoughts- Sedins are too soft in the playoffs and declining players, and I as a fan demand a reset!

My Thoughts- Okay, step back from the ledge Nucker and put the bottle down. The Islanders aren't trading JT and the Canucks aren't moving the twins. Thanks for the hits, now take a deep breath and relax.

that was good bait,but I'm not taking it

If thats the case then it would have been a steal for any team in the league. And the Canucks gave him away for someone who may never play an NHL game. Asset mismanagement.
- Marshalle

No. They had 2 goalies and had to trade 1. Goalies don't have a tonne of trade value. Interesting that a Flyers fan thinks that having too many quality goalies is asset mismanagement!