I had Stepan projected at 4.25m before the hold out started. Im gonna say when he signs it will be in the 4.5m range.

I think Sather is trying to push a deal that Pavelski got from SJ in the range of 4m per year.
- aecliptic

Duchene getting a ton of money should not have the impact on Stepan as much as some would think.

Stepan will probably hover around the 4-4.5 million per mark.

Not sure whether you wanted an answer, but the phrase is actually "For all intents and purposes", which means for all practical (or usual) purposes. I think 80% of people screw that phrase up.
- Pete V

That was awesome, thank you!

Duchene getting a ton of money should not have the impact on Stepan as much as some would think.

Stepan will probably hover around the 4-4.5 million per mark.
- MidnightMarauder

I don't see a problem paying him 5-5.5, but I think the issue is this upcoming year. If Sather is willing to give him that much in the 2nd and 3rd years of the contract, he could only afford around 3.5M this immediate year to keep the AAV around 4.5. That could be whats holding things up considering everyone wants to be paid now rather than later. But I hope its not, Stepan is too young to be thinking about things that way.

You guys are crazy if you think stepan is gonna get 5 mil per or more. He's not getting more than mcdonagh and will sign for 3.5-4.2 depending on term most likely.

Contracts that duchene and gagner signed are irrelevant to me. Sather always signs his rfas for less than what we expect, mcdonagh included, so I don't see why stepan is an exception.

It was already reported that he is looking for 4 mil and probably won't get it. Sather isn't dumb enough to hand out a crazy contract to an rfa for one good half season.

I don't see a problem paying him 5-5.5, but I think the issue is this upcoming year. If Sather is willing to give him that much in the 2nd and 3rd years of the contract, he could only afford around 3.5M this immediate year to keep the AAV around 4.5. That could be whats holding things up considering everyone wants to be paid now rather than later. But I hope its not, Stepan is too young to be thinking about things that way.
- xcheckmajor

As I wrote, could see a bridge deal, like they did with Hank. One year deal for now with "unwritten agreement" to tear it up and sign him LT in January to higher cap hit that takes effect next season.

I don't see a problem paying him 5-5.5, but I think the issue is this upcoming year. If Sather is willing to give him that much in the 2nd and 3rd years of the contract, he could only afford around 3.5M this immediate year to keep the AAV around 4.5. That could be whats holding things up considering everyone wants to be paid now rather than later. But I hope its not, Stepan is too young to be thinking about things that way.
- xcheckmajor

Stepan had two respectable seasons and one really good albeit in a shortened season.

He likely can push his asking price to close to five million per but testing Sather is something he doesn't want to do.

I think all in all both sides can come to a mutual understanding for around 4.5 million a season. That is a very fair and reasonable value for both sides to agree upon.

In other stepan related news, he has been invited to the usa Olympic hockey camp.

Stepan had two respectable seasons and one really good albeit in a shortened season.

He likely can push his asking price to close to five million per but testing Sather is something he doesn't want to do.

I think all in all both sides can come to a mutual understanding for around 4.5 million a season. That is a very fair and reasonable value for both sides to agree upon.
- MidnightMarauder

When you take a player like Stepan, there could be a huge benefit on projecting on what you you expect the player to be 2-3 years from now. Obviously, if you wait for a player to prove it, then you have to pay the market value for the player's production -- i.e., if you sign a bridge deal with him, then you might have to pay way more when the deal expire if the player exceeds expectations. With respect to Stepan, I would love to get him wrapped up to the same type of term as McDonagh -- i.e., 6 years, $4.5 million per, because I think he will prove worth it, and the contract will be a bargain down the road. Now obviously, anytime you project on a player (i.e., Tyler Myers) it's a risk, but it could also be a huge benefit if you lock in a player long term and he exceeds expectations. That's why GMs get paid the big bucks, I guess.

In other stepan related news, he has been invited to the usa Olympic hockey camp.
- rangerdanger94

Did they announce camp invites overall? I cant find it.

Did they announce camp invites overall? I cant find it.
- mrhattrick27

I don't like NHLers in the Olympics. It's far too much a distraction from the season. I much prefer the World Cup of Hockey. It's Olympic rosters, but with NHL rules (fighting, lots of rough-stuff). Plus it's during the summer so it doesn't interfere with the season at all.

1996 World Cup was probably the greatest hockey tourney I have ever watched; and not just because USA won.

I don't like NHLers in the Olympics. It's far too much a distraction from the season. I much prefer the World Cup of Hockey. It's Olympic rosters, but with NHL rules (fighting, lots of rough-stuff). Plus it's during the summer so it doesn't interfere with the season at all.

1996 World Cup was probably the greatest hockey tourney I have ever watched; and not just because USA won.
- mames11

I agree. I really look forward to the Olympics, because I think the hockey is unbelievably good, but I would much prefer, like you, that they did in the World Cup, rather than mid-season in the Olympics.

Staal and Nash invited to Team Canada, Girardi wasn't.

I don't like NHLers in the Olympics. It's far too much a distraction from the season. I much prefer the World Cup of Hockey. It's Olympic rosters, but with NHL rules (fighting, lots of rough-stuff). Plus it's during the summer so it doesn't interfere with the season at all.

1996 World Cup was probably the greatest hockey tourney I have ever watched; and not just because USA won.
- mames11

Though that didn't hurt

Staal and Nash invited to Team Canada, Girardi wasn't.
- airjan23

Where are these camp invite lists?

In other stepan related news, he has been invited to the usa Olympic hockey camp.
- rangerdanger94

AGrossRecord: Marc Staal and Rick Nash are the Rangers invited to Canada orientation camp for Olympics.

for me, the less rangers the better. Happy Giradi isnt there, he's such a work horse that olympic break should allow him to be fresh after.

You guys are crazy if you think stepan is gonna get 5 mil per or more. He's not getting more than mcdonagh and will sign for 3.5-4.2 depending on term most likely.

Contracts that duchene and gagner signed are irrelevant to me. Sather always signs his rfas for less than what we expect, mcdonagh included, so I don't see why stepan is an exception.

It was already reported that he is looking for 4 mil and probably won't get it. Sather isn't dumb enough to hand out a crazy contract to an rfa for one good half season.
- rangerdanger94

They do play a part though. It means that it's even less likely that Stepan will sign a contract similar to the one Duchene did a year ago, two years, $7MM. With Gagner blowing that number away there is no way Step signs for $3.5MM per. I don't think anyone says he will or should get $4.8MM (Gagner) or $6MM (Duchene) but some have said (me being one of them) that Step is a better player than Gagner and consequently an argument could be made that he deserves to be compensated better. The only advantage Gagner had was that he was closer to being an UFA than Step is.

They do play a part though. It means that it's even less likely that Stepan will sign a contract similar to the one Duchene did a year ago, two years, $7MM. With Gagner blowing that number away there is no way Step signs for $3.5MM per. I don't think anyone says he will or should get $4.8MM (Gagner) or $6MM (Duchene) but some have said (me being one of them) that Step is a better player than Gagner and consequently an argument could be made that he deserves to be compensated better. The only advantage Gagner had was that he was closer to being an UFA than Step is.
- gkmkiller

Those are their 3rd contracts though, not 2nd.

3 years 15.75M. That'd be fair, but seeing the steal contract they got McDonagh on, who knows. 20 dollars and a happy meal with a ntc clause in year 1

AGrossRecord: Marc Staal and Rick Nash are the Rangers invited to Canada orientation camp for Olympics.

for me, the less rangers the better. Happy Giradi isnt there, he's such a work horse that olympic break should allow him to be fresh after.
- NYRangers1124

vlasic n hamonic ahead of him though

All of the Dmen invited to Canada's camp have a higher offensive value than G. You could argue that G is better defensively than 1/2 of the list of invitees but clearly they want puck moving defensemen for the Olympics. I think it makes sense considering the forwards on Team Canada are top notch in terms of skill, they probably want Dmen backing them up who can handle fast puck movement and can carry the puck a little more with playmaking ability.

A little odd that there hasn't been a peep about USA Hockey, all of the major contenders for gold seem to have made roster annoucements already and coaching decisions.

I also think that the Olympics continues to favor the Canadians with arguably the easiest bracket. Finland is a good team, but come on. You know Canada always has the strongest roster on paper, yet they have US with Russia and Slovakia and Sweden and the Czechs together in another bracket. Canada has probably the 2 weakest teams and one good one.

vlasic n hamonic ahead of him though
- TheNugeIsHuge

And Methot?

AGrossRecord: Marc Staal and Rick Nash are the Rangers invited to Canada orientation camp for Olympics.

for me, the less rangers the better. Happy Giradi isnt there, he's such a work horse that olympic break should allow him to be fresh after.
- NYRangers1124

He's so under-rated it's insane. To not get an invite over some players on that list is a joke.

And Methot?
- mrhattrick27

The three guys mentioned, seem strange picks to me over Girardi. But, it's bigger ice and a more wide open game, so perhaps that is the reason. I still think Girardi's lack of pedigree works against him a little.

The three guys mentioned, seem strange picks to me over Girardi. But, it's bigger ice and a more wide open game, so perhaps that is the reason. I still think Girardi's lack of pedigree works against him a little.
- Pete V

Methot though? To me he has 0 pedigree.

The three guys mentioned, seem strange picks to me over Girardi. But, it's bigger ice and a more wide open game, so perhaps that is the reason. I still think Girardi's lack of pedigree works against him a little.
- Pete V

I can understand hamonic but the other 2 are odd. G will probably have a chip on his shoulder...I imagine he's pretty bummed.