That's a ridiculous comparison.

First of all, Phaneuf has never played with anyone in Toronto remotely approaching their ability.

Secondly, you can't compare a player who has just signed a contract to a guy on the tail end of his own. Clarkson makes almost as much as Kessel this year. It's irrelevant.
- Leeman4Gilmour

And if he gets paid 7 million they won't be able to bring that calibre of guy in. See what I'm saying, it's not about hating him, they have no choice but to move him. He's one of those guys thats overpaid and will continue to be, and in a cap world they can't win a cup with that, just can't. Clarkson is way overpaid too. Love his style but he is.

8 yrs gets him to 37 yrs old. He probably looking for consistent money.
- Big_Lightnin

So you think he'd walk away from 25 mil in the first 3 years (or however the (frank) they do it)?

So you think he'd walk away from 25 mil in the first 3 years (or however the (frank) they do it)?
- weirdoh

ya cause to make a $5M cap hit, he's only making $15M in the next 5 years, which he won't sign.

Thats a good point. Seasbrook and Keith are both way bettr, and they are both likely making less money this time next year.
- aminnes

No, they're not. Their cap hit is lower, but Seabrook gets $7m next year, and Keith gets $7.65. Dion gets $5.5m next year

Now you'tre giving Gardiner's defensive abilities way too much credit.
- RogerRoeper

We don't know yet. Guys like Fraser, Franson, Gardner, are all young and getting better. We won't know how good they can be for at least 2-3 years. Dion is done. He is what he is and took a sharp decline post lockout particularly due to the rule changes in his end, I'de rather keep all those guys and watch them get better and possibly better than him, then pay him and be forced to move one or more or them down the line. Basically it's either have faith in Dion or take a fairly calculated risk that the guys guys they have will become good down the line. I would venture to say that keeping him, knowing what he is means there won't be enough dpeth to pull off a championship while he's here.

Now you'tre giving Gardiner's defensive abilities way too much credit.
- RogerRoeper

We don't know yet. Guys like Fraser, Franson, Gardner, are all young and getting better. We won't know how good they can be for at least 2-3 years. Dion is done. He is what he is and took a sharp decline post lockout particularly due to the rule changes in his end, I'de rather keep all those guys and watch them get better and possibly better than him, then pay him and be forced to move one or more or them down the line. Basically it's either have faith in Dion or take a fairly calculated risk that the guys guys they have will become good down the line. I would venture to say that keeping him, knowing what he is means there won't be enough dpeth to pull off a championship while he's here.

No, they're not. Their cap hit is lower, but Seabrook gets $7m next year, and Keith gets $7.65. Dion gets $5.5m next year
- lumlums

Cap hit is what matters to me. What do I care what a billion dollar corp pays him.

So you think he'd walk away from 25 mil in the first 3 years (or however the (frank) they do it)?
- weirdoh

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8 yrs, $6.25M hit.

not great, but better than now.

think he'd take it?

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8 yrs, $6.25M hit.

not great, but better than now.

think he'd take it?
- Big_Lightnin

Nope. Think he'd take just the first 4-6 years

Cap hit is what matters to me. What do I care what a billion dollar corp pays him.
- aminnes

Offer him 8 years, 4.5m a year with $8m signing bonus upfront. Cap hit of 5.5m Up the signing bonus to $10m and cap hit goes to 5.75m.

Not many people can turn down a major payoff in one day

Nope. Think he'd take just the first 4-6 years
- fidopro

odds of him getting more than those numbers in those last 4 years is extremely low, unless cap is way high.

he's 29, and married to a very wealthy woman. Not like he'll need to play and earn max money till he's 37.

Cap hit is what matters to me. What do I care what a billion dollar corp pays him.
- aminnes

You can't care about one without, indirectly at least, caring about the other...

This speaks to the lack of depth more than his talent. I think people would be surprised by the ability of other guys if given the opportunity. 40 year old Gonchar is better in his end, should he get 7 mill next year?
- aminnes

Please, stop.

Offer him 8 years, 4.5m a year with $8m signing bonus upfront. Cap hit of 5.5m Up the signing bonus to $10m and cap hit goes to 5.75m.

Not many people can turn down a major payoff in one day
- lumlums

his will be mostly (or half) signing bonuses every year anyway, like Clarkson and Bozak deals. Better for taxes.

that's how most guys are doing Canadian deals now.

Cap hit is what matters to me. What do I care what a billion dollar corp pays him.
- aminnes

I think the point is that the type of deals they signed would look a lot different today than before the 2012 lock-out.

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8 yrs, $6.25M hit.

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think he'd take it?
- Big_Lightnin

I think the question is would another team offer him more. Hard to say, but with the dumb deals we keep seeing it seems very likely.

Actually they don't. Boston had one until next year, we'll see how it goes with them. Pitts after next year, will have three and will turn into the new TB from 5 years ago.
San jose hasn't made it out of the second round, so contenders? not really,
Det has 2 guys making over six who have both won 2 cups already and no one over 7
The Rangers who you claim are contenders, have Nash, and the only other guy getting over 6 rides the pine.

LA has two guys over six, one guy a D and Kopitar. This is the only exception. Kessel alone will get 8 plus so they still wouldn't be going down the road the LEafs would be.

Can't overspend and stay good. I'm happy they made the dance but I would like to see a cup in my lifetime.
- aminnes

What I need you to do is come up with a list of contenders... forget cap, just think about contenders. Now revisit your "no contenders has more than one player over 6M" argument.

Let's see how that turns out.

Go on, give it a try.

And if he gets paid 7 million they won't be able to bring that calibre of guy in. See what I'm saying, it's not about hating him, they have no choice but to move him. He's one of those guys thats overpaid and will continue to be, and in a cap world they can't win a cup with that, just can't. Clarkson is way overpaid too. Love his style but he is.
- aminnes

So, are you suggesting that it is impossible to find a partner for a guy with Phaneuf's cap hit?

Because the numbers say otherwise. Just off the top of my head, I can think of Boston and Chara.

Offer him 8 years, 4.5m a year with $8m signing bonus upfront. Cap hit of 5.5m Up the signing bonus to $10m and cap hit goes to 5.75m.

Not many people can turn down a major payoff in one day
- lumlums

I really dont see Kessel's hit being anything less than 7.5 mil. The good news is we are talking about him resigning, not about him leaving for nothing.

Edit: You guys are talking about Phaneuf, not Kessel.

Ignore my ignorance.

I think the question is would another team offer him more. Hard to say, but with the dumb deals we keep seeing it seems very likely.
- aminnes

is he willing to take the risk though?

tough to walk away from $50M cause you might get 2-3M more.

I don't see anybody giving him more than $7M for 7 yrs, and that's $1M total less than what I proposed

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8 yrs, $6.25M hit.

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- Big_Lightnin

I think we can get away with less....

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I really dont see Kessel's hit being anything less than 7.5 mil. The good news is we are talking about him resigning, not about him leaving for nothing.

Edit: You guys are talking about Phaneuf, not Kessel.

Ignore my ignorance.
- Leafs43

I honestly think that's exactly what it will be.

is he willing to take the risk though?

tough to walk away from $50M cause you might get 2-3M more.

I don't see anybody giving him $7M for 7 yrs.
- Big_Lightnin

Exactly. If the trade market is truly as soft as they say it is for Dion, then he's not going to get huge money for max years, either.

The teams with money rushed out to spend it on July 5. The free agent market is incredibly slow right now and some fairly big names are still out there.

There's just not that much money. There will be a little more next year, but the teams who could spend it are pretty much all just looking at keeping their rosters intact for next year.

Offer him 8 years, 4.5m a year with $8m signing bonus upfront. Cap hit of 5.5m Up the signing bonus to $10m and cap hit goes to 5.75m.

Not many people can turn down a major payoff in one day
- lumlums

Word

I think we can get away with less....

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- jribout

$6M hit. ya was thinking that too. but probably make the last 2 yrs 3M each and add it to the 1st 2 to do that.