So if you don't know what the CAP is going to look like down the line, how the hell can you sit here and tell us we are in CAP trouble?
- UsernameUnknown

ANA didn't make the dance last year 2011-12. Pit is now in problem mode, NY - contenders, they overspent and are getting worse. SJ hasn't gotten out the second round. Bos has one guy - Chara, and he's way better than Dion. Rask albeit is overpaid by a bit for sure. Bottom line, teams that win don't overpay, and Phaneuf at 7 plus million is overpaying. Are any of the players Detroit has paid 7 mil been overpaid?
- aminnes

4 guys over $6M next year, and going forward.

Care to elaborate, or is it just ad hominem?
- aminnes

Here's the play by play:

aminnes: Leafs can't resign Phaneuf and Kessel! We're screwed!
every other poster: no, there's going to be plenty of room... Liles, Tucker, Armstrong off the books; cap going up.
aminnes: but contenders don't have more than one player over 6M!
me: yes, yes they do.

Their role players are a lot better than ours, was my point.

Their role players won them a lot of playoff series, and they are going to have to downgrade their role players.

Obviously still have a good core, but they'll feel it when they swap out their 3rd and 4th lines with less experienced or effective players.
- Big_Lightnin

You said they were a problem though...

Toronto has cap issues next season???

The problem also is if he gets a big contract they dont have money to get better. Making the playoffs is supposed to lead to a cup eventually, and moving out guys to keep him, when he isn't good enough to get them to the dance as it is makes no sense. Move him while you can maybe get something back. Platoon the minutes and use the money to create depth, rather than one guy who his own coach says is better at less than 25 mins a game.
- aminnes

Except you that's not true.

You said they were a problem though...
- aminnes

No,they will have to swap them out because their roll players also make more than average 3rd and 4th liners (collectively).

Boston, with massive turnover on the 3rd and 4th lines, will not be nearly as good as they have been the last 3 years.

Toronto has cap issues next season???
- jimmc7722

depends, is the cap going down again?

We basically have a two-sided problem here.

1) Dion, despite his detractors, is our best defenseman. We lean on him in all situations as the rest of our D is too inexperienced and too young to be relied on in all situations. If we trade him, we are almost certainly not a playoff team.

2) Despite being our best defenseman, Dion IS overpaid. Despite impressive offensive numbers, Dion is relatively weak defensively relative to his contract. If we give him a raise, then we risk being in a major financial hole.
- lumlums

True, but nobody seems to be able to provide an answer to the problem you list in #2; nobody can name a cheaper alternative that improves the team.

I've just been skimming through the thread and have seen Smid and Gleason. What kind of bizarro world are we living in today?

Swap out Phaneuf with Smid or Gleason and 5th best in the East becomes 5th worst.

Toronto has cap issues next season???
- jimmc7722

They're screwed!

Toronto has cap issues next season???
- jimmc7722

No.

It's just one confused person who hasn't heard of Cap Geek.

How could it go down? Seriously, that cap will be 80 million in no time. Look how many outdoor games they have.

No.

It's just one confused person who hasn't heard of Cap Geek.
- Leeman4Gilmour

and the massive revenue generated by 6 outdoor games.

Cap will be higher in 2014 than it was this year I bet. over $70M fore sure at least.

How could it go down? Seriously, that cap will be 80 million in no time. Look how many outdoor games they have.
- RogerRoeper

exactly

True, but nobody seems to be able to provide an answer to the problem you list in #2; nobody can name a cheaper alternative that improves the team.

I've just been skimming through the thread and have seen Smid and Gleason. What kind of bizarro world are we living in today?

Swap out Phaneuf with Smid or Gleason and 5th best in the East becomes 5th worst.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Honestly, there are posters here you think Dion is much worse than a Gleason. It's ridiculous.

And it's 2013' guys. How much do YOU think Dion should be paid? We had a guy in another thread claim 3 million per You've got to be realistic. The guy's career avg is over 40 points.

No.

It's just one confused person who hasn't heard of Cap Geek.
- Leeman4Gilmour

On he he knows of cap geek apparently, he told me to look into it.
Based on the comments I'd image he isn't using it right/at all.

Here's the play by play:

aminnes: Leafs can't resign Phaneuf and Kessel! We're screwed!
every other poster: no, there's going to be plenty of room... Liles, Tucker, Armstrong off the books; cap going up.
aminnes: but contenders don't have more than one player over 6M!
me: yes, yes they do.
- gravyface

Actually they don't. Boston had one until next year, we'll see how it goes with them. Pitts after next year, will have three and will turn into the new TB from 5 years ago.
San jose hasn't made it out of the second round, so contenders? not really,
Det has 2 guys making over six who have both won 2 cups already and no one over 7
The Rangers who you claim are contenders, have Nash, and the only other guy getting over 6 rides the pine.

LA has two guys over six, one guy a D and Kopitar. This is the only exception. Kessel alone will get 8 plus so they still wouldn't be going down the road the LEafs would be.

Can't overspend and stay good. I'm happy they made the dance but I would like to see a cup in my lifetime.

Honestly, there are posters here you think Dion is much worse than a Gleason. It's ridiculous.

And it's 2013' guys. How much do YOU think Dion should be paid? We had a guy in another thread claim 3 million per You've got to be realistic. The guy's career avg is over 40 points.
- RogerRoeper

Hilariously retarded.

4 guys over $6M next year, and going forward.
- Big_Lightnin

And that will hurt them.

Honestly, there are posters here you think Dion is much worse than a Gleason. It's ridiculous.

And it's 2013' guys. How much do YOU think Dion should be paid? We had a guy in another thread claim 3 million per You've got to be realistic. The guy's career avg is over 40 points.
- RogerRoeper

If Dion were only making $5M cap hit the last 3 years, we'd all be worried he was getting a raise to $7.5M next summer.

And that will hurt them.
- aminnes

right, but you said they were in good shape... and I said

right, but you said they were in good shape... and I said
- Big_Lightnin

and the massive revenue generated by 6 outdoor games.

Cap will be higher in 2014 than it was this year I bet. over $70M fore sure at least.
- Big_Lightnin

I was thinking 68 at the bare minimum, but 70 could be possible. The NHL might get a little bump from the Olympic publicity.

Combine that with the 2.5 million dollars in buy-out money coming off the books and we could give every free agent on the team a raise.

True, but nobody seems to be able to provide an answer to the problem you list in #2; nobody can name a cheaper alternative that improves the team.

I've just been skimming through the thread and have seen Smid and Gleason. What kind of bizarro world are we living in today?

Swap out Phaneuf with Smid or Gleason and 5th best in the East becomes 5th worst.
- Leeman4Gilmour

And therein lies the true problem. There are so few people that you can switch for Dion that improve the team drastically, and they are all paid so highly that we can't accommodate them easily (plus would need to give up significant assets to acquire). What we need are people to compliment our current players, rather than replace them.

And therein lies the true problem. There are so few people that you can switch for Dion that improve the team drastically, and they are all paid so highly that we can't accommodate them easily (plus would need to give up significant assets to acquire). What we need are people to compliment our current players, rather than replace them.
- lumlums

Yup