Free agency inflates player salaries. What Phaneuf signs as an RFA or an extension is much lower than what he would garner on the open market. Gonchar got $5.0 million
- steve362

short term though. I don't see a lot of teams going 7 yrs for $7M per with Dion. and 8 yrs at $6.5M with Leafs is more money.

Phil adds 3 plus million right there. Again, they can ice the same level of a team, but the point was to become a champ not stay the same.
- aminnes

They're screwed.

thought he signed a 2 yr deal
- Big_Lightnin

He did, we retain his rights though. Hopefully we're competitive in a 2 years and we can entice him to come back.

He did sign a two year deal, the second year has an opt out clause which he has stated that he would like to return to the NHL.
- steve362

ah

so North of $8.5M. don't think so. but again, $2.5M coming off the books, so 500k.
Dion, if we want to say he gets $7M. another $500k.

$6M cap increase is probably conservative given the number of outdoor games.

so Bolland can maybe get at same money. Kuli and McClement $1M raise each.

Gardiner and Reimer might be an issue, but I doubt they keep both Reimer and Bernier for more than 1 yr.

so they remove Liles in whatever way they can. .
- Big_Lightnin

The cap went down and look what was given out. UFA's are cashing in big time because they are not as available. Dions agent would never sign for less than market, and if the cap goes up - yikes. Same with Phil. Look at the precedent thats been set.
What your saying is true, but these are all hypotheticals. What if in the end they keep Dion but lose Gardner. Personally, I'de rather the other way around. Either way, they have made it difficult on themselves, in a situation that looked very promising.

From NJ would want to be honest almost nothing. Henrique maybe, don't really have picks. Don't really like their prospect pool too much.

From the oilers a young defenceman + picks.

Would just rather keep him though. And not sure NJ would even be willing to deal Henrique.
- TheLeafsInsider

would just be terrible for them if they did. Only bright spot on that roster now next to Schneider

The cap went down and look what was given out. UFA's are cashing in big time because they are not as available. Dions agent would never sign for less than market, and if the cap goes up - yikes. Same with Phil. Look at the precedent thats been set.
What your saying is true, but these are all hypotheticals. What if in the end they keep Dion but lose Gardner. Personally, I'de rather the other way around. Either way, they have made it difficult on themselves, in a situation that looked very promising.
- aminnes

several guys signed for much less than most analysts thought they would.

Weiss, Roy, Ribeiro, hell Bozak.

Horton & Clarkson - Everybody had them both pegged at $6M+

just got one with Clarkson.
Sundin gave them several.

could argue Reimer did too.

If they both want to stay, and help the team improve, they will sign for reasonable money.

if they offered phaneuf 6 yrs at his current salary, he would be a fool to turn it down. He wont get that anywhere else.

Kessel anything under $8M is leaving money on the table, and I don't think that's unreasonable.
- Big_Lightnin

No one knows for sure about Clarkson. And he's overpaid, lets be real. Reimer got whathe should have, Bernier is overpaid. Sundin made enourmous money as a Leaf, especially considering he never broke the top ten in scoring and bagged 40 once.

short term though. I don't see a lot of teams going 7 yrs for $7M per with Dion. and 8 yrs at $6.5M with Leafs is more money.
- Big_Lightnin

Good point, im not sure if i want him for THAT long

The cap went down and look what was given out. UFA's are cashing in big time because they are not as available. Dions agent would never sign for less than market, and if the cap goes up - yikes. Same with Phil. Look at the precedent thats been set.
What your saying is true, but these are all hypotheticals. What if in the end they keep Dion but lose Gardner. Personally, I'de rather the other way around. Either way, they have made it difficult on themselves, in a situation that looked very promising.
- aminnes

Can't afford to lose Gardiner, I get your point there. Perfect world we find a way to keep both, can't see Gardiner as an RFA fetching over 3-4m right now, I suppose if he has a breakout year that could change though. And given the ice time a breakout year would not surprise me at all.

The cap went down and look what was given out. UFA's are cashing in big time because they are not as available. Dions agent would never sign for less than market, and if the cap goes up - yikes. Same with Phil. Look at the precedent thats been set.
What your saying is true, but these are all hypotheticals. What if in the end they keep Dion but lose Gardner. Personally, I'de rather the other way around. Either way, they have made it difficult on themselves, in a situation that looked very promising.
- aminnes

They're fine. Their cap is in decent shape.


How do they lose gardiner?

several guys signed for much less than most analysts thought they would.

Weiss, Roy, Ribeiro, hell Bozak.

Horton & Clarkson - Everybody had them both pegged at $6M+
- Big_Lightnin

Are you kidding? Horton has concusion and shoulder issues, and got a 7 year deal. All those guys are overpaid. The analysts can lik a d in my opinion, overpaid, every single one of them.

No one knows for sure about Clarkson. And he's overpaid, lets be real. Reimer got whathe should have, Bernier is overpaid. Sundin made enourmous money as a Leaf, especially considering he never broke the top ten in scoring and bagged 40 once.
- aminnes

Dregger says Oilers offered Clarkson over $6M per, wasn't 7 yrs though.

but regardless, analysts had him at $6M, he signed for $5.25. which is less than I realistically thought it would take.

Sundin routinely signed for more than $1M below market value.

several guys signed for much less than most analysts thought they would.

Weiss, Roy, Ribeiro, hell Bozak.

Horton & Clarkson - Everybody had them both pegged at $6M+
- Big_Lightnin

There's that.

Good point, im not sure if i want him for THAT long
- steve362

Exactly. Who the heck wants Dion making 6 or seven million at 35 years old. Let him go, and be someone elses problem.

They're fine. Their cap is in decent shape.


How do they lose gardiner?
- burn

Look further than this year. In two years time big trouble brewing.

Are you kidding? Horton has concusion and shoulder issues, and got a 7 year deal. All those guys are overpaid. The analysts can lik a d in my opinion, overpaid, every single one of them.
- aminnes

well that's the problem. You think everyone not names Crosby and Malkin or Stamkos is overpaid.

Dregger says Oilers offered Clarkson over $6M per, wasn't 7 yrs though.

but regardless, analysts had him at $6M, he signed for $5.25. which is less than I realistically thought it would take.

Sundin routinely signed for more than $1M below market value.
- Big_Lightnin

Sundin made 8 mill for several years of his career in a non cap world. Market value today would be very different. Even if Dion and Kessel give less 500 K woop-tee-doo, still a huge problem.

Are you kidding? Horton has concusion and shoulder issues, and got a 7 year deal. All those guys are overpaid. The analysts can lik a d in my opinion, overpaid, every single one of them.
- aminnes

He didn't say they weren't overpaid, he refuted your post about "look what happened when the cap went down". Yeah they're overpaid, but they all signed for less or what was expected.

Look further than this year. In two years time big trouble brewing.
- aminnes

No there's not.

well that's the problem. You think everyone not names Crosby and Malkin or Stamkos is overpaid.
- Big_Lightnin

When did I ever say that? There's not one player on the Kings overpaid. Boston has great salary structure. Chicago might have a couple guys making too much but not that big of a deal is it - won the cup. It's okay to like the Leafs and be realistic about their mistakes. And for the record, the fact that Crosby got that money coming off a major head injury was too much, maybe not in money but surely in term.

Sundin made 8 mill for several years of his career in a non cap world. Market value today would be very different. Even if Dion and Kessel give less 500 K woop-tee-doo, still a huge problem.
- aminnes

Huge problem?

He didn't say they weren't overpaid, he refuted your post about "look what happened when the cap went down". Yeah they're overpaid, but they all signed for less or what was expected.
- burn

They signed for crap loads more than I expected. So as long as the guys on TV think Dions worth 8 and signs for 7 its a good deal?

well that's the problem. You think everyone not names Crosby and Malkin or Stamkos is overpaid.
- Big_Lightnin

Bingo! Other elite players shoudn't make more than 5 or 6M.

63M roster - 23 players

5-5-5
4-4-4
2-2-2
1-1-1-1-1

5-5
3-3
1-1-1

5
1

Bingo! Other elite players shoudn't make more 5 or 6M.

63M roster - 23 players

5-5-5
4-4-4
2-2-2
1-1-1-1-1

5-5
3-3
1-1-1

5
1
- fidopro

Commie