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- shvingter88

What? Jagr is better the Brunner. Other then age and speed what does Brunner have that Jagr doesn't? Better yet name one thing besides being faster and younger Brunner is better then Jagr at...
- NickA

Speed vs literally the slowest player in the league.. Is one huge difference. Upside is another. Brunner did well in his ROOKIE NHL season. The rest are equal. Jagr can't snipe like he used to, so that's a draw. Jagr has more strength and hockey sense, but again.. No speed and is very low on gas. It is imperative we get Brunner.. Unless Lou thinks Olesz or Tedenby is the answer.

Speed vs literally the slowest player in the league.. Is one huge difference. Upside is another. Brunner did well in his ROOKIE NHL season. The rest are equal. Jagr can't snipe like he used to, so that's a draw. Jagr has more strength and hockey sense, but again.. No speed and is very low on gas. It is imperative we get Brunner.. Unless Lou thinks Olesz or Tedenby is the answer.
- MartysBetter88

Your overvaluing Brunner way too much. He has the potential to be good but he also has the potential to never ever score 20 goals in this league. At least with Jagr he has a more proven track record. Jagr is still better then Brunner and is probably the best FA available. We're better off not signing another multi year contract this off season. Signing Jagr for 1 year is a smart move. Brunner isn't that good otherwise i believe Detroit would of kept him.

For someone whos been a superstar his whole career. Its pretty shocking to see him join his seventh nhl team.

Your overvaluing Brunner way too much. He has the potential to be good but he also has the potential to never ever score 20 goals in this league. At least with Jagr he has a more proven track record. Jagr is still better then Brunner and is probably the best FA available. We're better off not signing another multi year contract this off season. Signing Jagr for 1 year is a smart move. Brunner isn't that good otherwise i believe Detroit would of kept him.
- NickA

All solid points. My guess is still both of them. I think once Henrique is official the other dominoes will fall.

We're still trying to replace goals lost with Parise's absence. We lacked secondary scoring LAST year with Kovy and Clarkson. Ryder is supposed to provide that, provide what we lost in Parise's production. Now kovy is gone. So who's replacing his production, Jagr? You need another scorer in the lineup. Not just another guy that can get opportunities but fail to finish, not because of lack of talent, but lack of physical ability. That's my gripe. And he WILL get tired if we use him as a primary option. I want him getting 15 at the max.. On a rare occasion.. Not 15+ on average.
- MartysBetter88

He played a condensed season last year and I think he played 17 minutes per game. I don't think this is as extreme an issue as people are making it out to be.
Kovy didn't HAVE that much production last year anyway. I don't see it being so impossible to replace. We don't even know the cash involved yet. This may not even be their last move.

Your overvaluing Brunner way too much. He has the potential to be good but he also has the potential to never ever score 20 goals in this league. At least with Jagr he has a more proven track record. Jagr is still better then Brunner and is probably the best FA available. We're better off not signing another multi year contract this off season. Signing Jagr for 1 year is a smart move. Brunner isn't that good otherwise i believe Detroit would of kept him.
- NickA

Exactly.

Your overvaluing Brunner way too much. He has the potential to be good but he also has the potential to never ever score 20 goals in this league. At least with Jagr he has a more proven track record. Jagr is still better then Brunner and is probably the best FA available. We're better off not signing another multi year contract this off season. Signing Jagr for 1 year is a smart move. Brunner isn't that good otherwise i believe Detroit would of kept him.
- NickA

He can't.. Skate. It's easy to stop someone that can't skate. What he has is size and he's jagr.. It's hard to separate him from the puck, that's about all he's got.. Which is useful because he knows what to do with the puck. I just want the added speed element in addition to jagr.

He can't.. Skate. It's easy to stop someone that can't skate. What he has is size and he's jagr.. It's hard to separate him from the puck, that's about all he's got.. Which is useful because he knows what to do with the puck. I just want the added speed element in addition to jagr.
- MartysBetter88

You're both right...they should just trade for cammelleri instead

You're both right...they should just trade for cammelleri instead
- numbear

No heart

Hey guys i was wondering if you guys do sign Jagr... that means you'll have 14 NHL FW, and Henrique still unsigned
This would leave u with....
(i know these lines arent official, just going by depth, really)
Elias-Zajac-Ryder
Clowe-Henrique-Jagr
Zubrus-Loki-Olesz
then 4th line you got Bernier, Barch, Carter, Josefson, Tedenby, Gionta
What 4 FW make that cut? Just curious. You got a poopload of FW if Jagr signs lol.

Hey guys i was wondering if you guys do sign Jagr... that means you'll have 14 NHL FW, and Henrique still unsigned
This would leave u with....
(i know these lines arent official, just going by depth, really)
Elias-Zajac-Ryder
Clowe-Henrique-Jagr
Zubrus-Loki-Olesz
then 4th line you got Bernier, Barch, Carter, Josefson, Tedenby, Gionta
What 4 FW make that cut? Just curious. You got a poopload of FW if Jagr signs lol.
- FLYERSROCK!

Idk if they'll play Elias with jagr or Ryder. Well see. To answer your question
Elias-Zajac-Ryder
Clowe-Henrique-Jagr
_____-Josefson/Loktionov-Zubrus
Carter-Gionta-Bernier

The 4th line has been together since they did work in the '12 run to the finals. 3rd line center wi be a tossup. The 3rd line wing spot will be up for grabs between Tedenby and Olesz.. But maybe they try Henrique on wing again.. Which didn't work last time. He's best in the middle.

Idk if they'll play Elias with jagr or Ryder. Well see. To answer your question
Elias-Zajac-Ryder
Clowe-Henrique-Jagr
_____-Josefson/Loktionov-Zubrus
Carter-Gionta-Bernier

The 4th line has been together since they did work in the '12 run to the finals. 3rd line center wi be a tossup. The 3rd line wing spot will be up for grabs between Tedenby and Olesz.. But maybe they try Henrique on wing again.. Which didn't work last time. He's best in the middle.
- MartysBetter88

The lines I would actually like to see would be(most likely won't happen):

Elias-Lokti-Jagr
Teds/Olesz-Henrique-Ryder
Clowe-Zajac-Zubs
CBGB

You could basically flip which line is which in the top 9

He can't.. Skate. It's easy to stop someone that can't skate. What he has is size and he's jagr.. It's hard to separate him from the puck, that's about all he's got.. Which is useful because he knows what to do with the puck. I just want the added speed element in addition to jagr.
- MartysBetter88

I hear ya i want to be a faster team this year too. But from a pure production standpoint Jagr's better. A lot of unknowns to Brunner's game. Ideally i would like to add both that way Jagr wouldn't be forced into the top 6 like he would be if he's the only guy brought in. He helped Boston and made the 2nd line more effective then Seguin did who is way faster. When Seguin was on that line they generated very little once they inserted Jagr the generated more chances. Just because Brunner and Raymond are fast doesn't mean they will work out. Neither one is consider a true goal scorer. Jagr is.

Oh and Jagr can still skate better then Clarkson so i don't where you get off saying this guy can't skate anymore. He's just not as explosive as he was in his younger days but he's still a competent enough skater...

I hear ya i want to be a faster team this year too. But from a pure production standpoint Jagr's better. A lot of unknowns to Brunner's game. Ideally i would like to add both that way Jagr wouldn't be forced into the top 6 like he would be if he's the only guy brought in. He helped Boston and made the 2nd line more effective then Seguin did who is way faster. When Seguin was on that line they generated very little once they inserted Jagr the generated more chances. Just because Brunner and Raymond are fast doesn't mean they will work out. Neither one is consider a true goal scorer. Jagr is.
- NickA

Their 2nd line was actually very good and they screwed up the chemistry because they didn't want to put Jagr on the 3rd line

I guess I watched a different jagr in this years playoffs. And Seguin is a great player lol. I'd take him over jagr any day!
But Brunner isn't Seguin. Seguin isn't Brunner.

Doesn't matter. Work with what we got.

future devils D corps?

santini, larsson, severson, gelinas, merrill, urbom?

future devils D corps?

santini, larsson, severson, gelinas, merrill, urbom?
- dmarsden2988

They all suck

The lines I would actually like to see would be(most likely won't happen):

Elias-Lokti-Jagr
Teds/Olesz-Henrique-Ryder
Clowe-Zajac-Zubs
CBGB

You could basically flip which line is which in the top 9
- bobert836

Kind of want to see Ryder with Elias. Give Ryder a good playmaker. Jagr does a good job creating chances for his linemates too, so I think splitting them up would be the best option.

Your overvaluing Brunner way too much. He has the potential to be good but he also has the potential to never ever score 20 goals in this league. At least with Jagr he has a more proven track record. Jagr is still better then Brunner and is probably the best FA available. We're better off not signing another multi year contract this off season. Signing Jagr for 1 year is a smart move. Brunner isn't that good otherwise i believe Detroit would of kept him.
- NickA

Brunner can thank Zetterberg and Datsyuk for most of his points, if he was that good the Wings would have retained him. Be prepared for a bust if you sign him.

They all suck
- rmdevil313

mattou will only be playing for so long he might not even come back

Kind of want to see Ryder with Elias. Give Ryder a good playmaker. Jagr does a good job creating chances for his linemates too, so I think splitting them up would be the best option.
- rmdevil313

Clowe-Elias-Ryder could be a decent first line.

Kind of want to see Ryder with Elias. Give Ryder a good playmaker. Jagr does a good job creating chances for his linemates too, so I think splitting them up would be the best option.
- rmdevil313

Also with the dollars spent on Clowe and Ryder they have to be top six or else they are grossly overpaid. Jagr will help any power play so lets hope he signs for one year.

Kind of want to see Ryder with Elias. Give Ryder a good playmaker. Jagr does a good job creating chances for his linemates too, so I think splitting them up would be the best option.
- rmdevil313

I wouldn't disagree, I just put them like that because I think Jagr would be too slow to keep up with Henrique and Teddy/Olesz