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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:49 PM ET
it's definitely closely related to the role you play. that much is certain
- FlyerMike18


Generally, players batting in the 3,4,5 spots tend to have more players in scoring position to knock in.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 19 @ 5:50 PM ET
It's not cherry picking. It's a clear example of how it is a team. The examples are simply to illustrate a point. Guys need to get on base. Guys need to knock runners in. Feel free to dispute anything I post. And I'll be glad to discuss it with you. But frankly, this is the type of response that indicates that you really can't.
- MJL


If you were a hockey player, you would be Pavel Bure.... Cherry Picker extordinare.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
well the weekend is coming up so maybe you'll have some time to backread
- Don'tForgetTocchet


getting started in a minute
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
It's not cherry picking. It's a clear example of how it is a team. The examples are simply to illustrate a point. Guys need to get on base. Guys need to knock runners in. Feel free to dispute anything I post. And I'll be glad to discuss it with you. But frankly, this is the type of response that indicates that you really can't.
- MJL

Go it's the lockout all over again!....

And I am sure that I could with proper knowledge but I'd be talking out of my ass (which is obvious you are doing with "I saw a Phillies game or two" argument). But I am not a baseball guy at all. I know the game but never watch it. So I am not going to talk out of my ass like you love to do.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
I'm generally not angry I swear
- mrhattrick27

haha i just feel like this guy takes a ton of heat on here
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:52 PM ET
Go it's the lockout all over again!....

And I am sure that I could with proper knowledge but I'd be talking out of my ass (which is obvious you are doing with "I saw a Phillies game or two" argument). But I am not a baseball guy at all. I know the game but never watch it. So I am not going to talk out of my ass like you love to do.

- mrhattrick27


I rest my case!
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:52 PM ET
Please forgive me a minute whilst I stickle...

There is no need to say RBIs; the 's' is included in the 'R'.

Carry on.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:52 PM ET
haha i just feel like this guy takes a ton of heat on here
- stayinthefnnet

he's a very popular poster, that's for sure
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:53 PM ET
Please forgive me a minute whilst I stickle...

There is no need to say RBIs; the 's' is included in the 'R'.

Carry on.

- tangent_man



we're both gonna get so banned
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:53 PM ET
we're both gonna get so banned
- Don'tForgetTocchet


I believe it's 'were'.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 19 @ 5:53 PM ET
I rest my case!

- MJL


About what exactly? I was calling you out for cherry-picking examples to prove a point. Did you not cherry-pick an example from "A Phillies game I happen to catch recently". Honestly that's all I called you out on. I didn't even read the baseball comments to try and see what point you were trying to make. Only calling out the way you like to make a point.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:54 PM ET
So you don't think getting a hit when runners are on base, is being clutch? Having a higher batting average with RISP isn't being clutch?
- MJL

im leaving work so this will be my last post

I think hits, slugging, power (all of which lead to a player being put in the middle of the order and therefore leading to good RBI numbers) are all a better indicator of a player's value than something like "being clutch"

if those stats are lacking - regardless of whether there are RISP or not - you wont be batting 4th.. and you wont have good RBI numbers



ok bye
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 19 @ 5:54 PM ET
If you were a hockey player, you would be Pavel Bure.... Cherry Picker extordinare.
- youarewrong



More like Pavel Berry

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:54 PM ET
I believe it's 'were'.
- tangent_man



how embarrassing, ty
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:55 PM ET
im leaving work so this will be my last post

I think hits, slugging, power (all of which lead to a player being put in the middle of the order and therefore leading to good RBI numbers) are all a better indicator of a player's value than something like "being clutch"

if those stats are lacking - regardless of whether there are RISP or not - you wont be batting 4th.. and you wont have good RBI numbers



ok bye

- Crimsoninja



pretty sure it's "k bai"
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 19 @ 5:55 PM ET
and he is not producing or driving in runs because his hits, slugging and power numbers are all down

not because he isnt being "clutch"

- Crimsoninja

hmm i think this is largely a semantics issue, because to me, if you are clutch you do the things you listed above, especially with men on base. at one point howard had that. now, hes as fragile and (frank)ed up as fleury.

its kind of a stretch example, but i feel like i guess you can be all of those things, with power numbers and driving in runs and not be clutch. loved the guy, but burrell did it for years. Hey you guys are down 8 2, heres a solo shot. or youre up 7 to 1, bam bases clearing double. tie game, 2 on 2 out. curveball and subsequent whiff.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:55 PM ET
About what exactly? I was calling you out for cherry-picking examples to prove a point. Did you not cherry-pick an example from "A Phillies game I happen to catch recently". Honestly that's all I called you out on. I didn't even read the baseball comments to try and see what point you were trying to make. Only calling out the way you like to make a point.
- mrhattrick27


You have an opportunity here to prove that the point I made isn't valid!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:56 PM ET
pretty sure it's "k bai"
- Don'tForgetTocchet

how embarrassing
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:56 PM ET
how embarrassing
- BulliesPhan87



stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 19 @ 5:57 PM ET
he's a very popular poster, that's for sure
- BulliesPhan87

haha i do realize im not exactly a resident here, but the reason for vitriol is kind of lost on me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:57 PM ET
im leaving work so this will be my last post

I think hits, slugging, power (all of which lead to a player being put in the middle of the order and therefore leading to good RBI numbers) are all a better indicator of a player's value than something like "being clutch"

if those stats are lacking - regardless of whether there are RISP or not - you wont be batting 4th.. and you wont have good RBI numbers



ok bye

- Crimsoninja


I don't disagree with that. I think it's semantics. But I think it depends on when you do it also. Guys who are considered clutch come through in key situations in games.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:57 PM ET
Please forgive me a minute whilst I stickle...

There is no need to say RBIs; the 's' is included in the 'R'.

Carry on.

- tangent_man


you son of a.....


Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 19 @ 5:58 PM ET
Who would have more RBI in an MLB season: Timonen, Coburn, Schenn, Gusty, Streit, Mesz, or Hot Mess [Gervais]?
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 19 @ 5:58 PM ET
You have an opportunity here to prove that the point I made isn't valid!
- MJL


Did you not read what I wrote? I am not you. I am not going to talk out of my ass about baseball just because I know the rules/game and listen to ESPN radio.

EDIT: Maybe I am more angry and aggressive in general because I have in my mind that MJL is Donald Fehr sitting at a laptop somewhere just (frank)ing with us. MJL = Lockout to me just as much as Bettman or Fehr does
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 19 @ 5:58 PM ET
haha i just feel like this guy takes a ton of heat on here
- stayinthefnnet


I like him.... for a rangers fan.
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