2nd last to playoff material... I see.
- HouseArrest187

Post our lineup from 3 seasons ago when we almost beat SJ.

Tell me we're worse.

I don't care about making 'predictions'. This is an easy one.

Edmonton didn't do much. Ference.. Gordon.. ok cool.

That's not Sakic and Roy taking over hockey ops, being idols to half the friggin' team.. Foote coming to coach the D.. Allaire coming to coach the goalies..

RoR with a full year on the 1st line. Duchene and PaP with another year together.

Landeskog will hopefully play all year. Downie won't be GONE ALL YEAR.

etc.etc.etc..

It's not even close, and Barrie will play this year. The Avs were a winning team with him and a losing team w/o him. It's not that tough to see how that went down.

EJ will be healthy. Siemens may surprise. And yes, he did a better job than Jones in the Mem. cup. He finished the tourney a + player, and even endured a 6 or 7 goal? drubbing in the process.

Sucks.

- ruttager17

Post our lineup from 3 seasons ago when we almost beat SJ.

Tell me we're worse.

I don't care about making 'predictions'. This is an easy one.

Edmonton didn't do much. Ference.. Gordon.. ok cool.

That's not Sakic and Roy taking over hockey ops, being idols to half the friggin' team.. Foote coming to coach the D.. Allaire coming to coach the goalies..

RoR with a full year on the 1st line. Duchene and PaP with another year together.

Landeskog will hopefully play all year. Downie won't be GONE ALL YEAR.

etc.etc.etc..

It's not even close, and Barrie will play this year. The Avs were a winning team with him and a losing team w/o him. It's not that tough to see how that went down.

EJ will be healthy. Siemens may surprise. And yes, he did a better job than Jones in the Mem. cup. He finished the tourney a + player, and even endured a 6 or 7 goal? drubbing in the process.

Sucks.
- DutchCanSaveUs

surely you're not saying siemens > jones???

and your guys get another year together and further development. but hall, eberle, Schultz, yakupov and the nuge don't??

ur guys are gonna be better, but the oilers aren't??

you're just embarrassing yourself now.

until proven otherwise and as of the last game played; edm has a better top 6, a better defence and better goaltending.
and until all these 'studs' u have prove otherwise, im sorry bud, its just a fact.
and you're just gonna have to deal with those facts until proven otherwise.
if and when that happens you can come back and chirp


I cant debate with totally irrational people....

- HouseArrest187

surely you're not saying siemens > jones???

and you're guys get another year together and further development. but hall, eberle, Schultz, yakupov and the nuge don't??

u guys are gonna be better, but the oilers aren't??

you're just embarrassing yourself now.

until proven otherwise and as of the last game played; edm has a better top 6, a better defence and better goaltending.
and until all these 'studs' u have prove otherwise, im sorry bud, its just a fact.
you're just gonna have to deal with the facts until we're proven otherwise.
if and when that happens you can come back and chirp

I cant debate with total irrationality.
- hugefemale dog77

A better top 6?

Hall - 50 pts
Eberle - 47
Hell, GAGNER had 48 last year, more than Eberle
Yak - 31 pts (how many the last week of the season, btw?)

Duchene - 43pts
PaP -43 pts
RoR - Missed lots, same with Landy, both are capable of similar/more
Statsny - 24 pts in 40 games..

Perron, had 25 pts.. in 48 games.. in ST LOUIS. On a better team..

RNH scored 24 pts in 40 games.

RoR would have put up more than he did barring a holdout.

He had 20 pts in 29 games. Contrary, Patrick Sharp had 20 pts in 28 games.

I'm not sure how you think you win this.

Post our lineup from 3 seasons ago when we almost beat SJ.

Tell me we're worse.

I don't care about making 'predictions'. This is an easy one.

Edmonton didn't do much. Ference.. Gordon.. ok cool.

That's not Sakic and Roy taking over hockey ops, being idols to half the friggin' team.. Foote coming to coach the D.. Allaire coming to coach the goalies..

RoR with a full year on the 1st line. Duchene and PaP with another year together.

Landeskog will hopefully play all year. Downie won't be GONE ALL YEAR.

etc.etc.etc..

It's not even close, and Barrie will play this year. The Avs were a winning team with him and a losing team w/o him. It's not that tough to see how that went down.

EJ will be healthy. Siemens may surprise. And yes, he did a better job than Jones in the Mem. cup. He finished the tourney a + player, and even endured a 6 or 7 goal? drubbing in the process.

Sucks.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Health is great but even health didn't get the defense anywhere productive. They have to use their health to build up strength and practice more defensive techniques. If they're healthy, they need to back that up with competent play. We'll see what will happen next season, but I feel like this current group of Dmen won't be enough and that's why they might need an extra star defenseman brought in.

Health is great but even health didn't get the defense anywhere productive. They have to use their health to build up strength and practice more defensive techniques. If they're healthy, they need to back that up with competent play. We'll see what will happen next season, but I feel like this current group of Dmen won't be enough and that's why they might need an extra star defenseman brought in.
- nayefj

When Wilson/EJ went down and Barrie was in, we won games.. in a row.. more than 2 or 3.

Then when one of them was healthy again he got sent back down. He was the only one, or one of 2 or 3.. who had a 2 way contract.

The Avs obviously didn't want to spend money since they weren't going to contend, so it made sense from a cheap ass owners POV, but this isn't last year.

Barrie will make the team full time and likely so will Elliot.

Trust in Sakic and Roy. This isn't Succo and Sherm the accountant dude.

we beat Colorado 4/5 times last year and outscored them 19-9.

ive said my peace on the matter. im over it.

Great thing is, we don't need to pick anyone up, really.

Siemens, you know.. that guy who shut down.. MacKinnon and Drouin in the Mem. cup? Yeah, he's ours.

Elliot is almost ready. Barrie was a stud while he was with us last season, but because he was the only? (one of) guys with a 2 way he was sent down to save money.

This isn't last year. He'll be on the team.

Sakic and Roy run this ish. Not Sherman the accountant. Not Succo.

Footer is in. Allaire is in. Roy is in. Sakic is in.

RoR-Duchene-PaP
Landeskog-Statsny-Tanguay
McGinn-MacKinnon-Downie
McLeod-Mitchell-Bordeleau/XX

> Edmonton
- DutchCanSaveUs

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But Siemens sucks.

we beat Colorado 4/5 times last year and outscored them 19-9.

ive said my peace on the matter. im over it.
- hugefemale dog77

You can't even spell 'piece'.

Yeah, we're gonna listen to what you have to say on things

You beat us 4/5 wow.. how were the playoffs bro?

we beat Colorado 4/5 times last year and outscored them 19-9.

ive said my peace on the matter. im over it.
- hugefemale dog77

But the addition of a first overall will totally make up for that MASSIVE goal differential. The avs have talent, that isn't being debated. But they're NOT a playoff team. And I definitely don't see them as equals to the oilers.

You can't even spell 'piece'.

Yeah, we're gonna listen to what you have to say on things

You beat us 4/5 wow.. how were the playoffs bro?
- DutchCanSaveUs

boy is my face red on the piece mishap........


and yeah, EVERYONE in this thread agrees with my sentiments and seems to think you're a parrot. so im not sure where you get the 'we' aren't gonna listen to what ''you' have to say....
even the one avs fan questioned your irrational blathering thoughts and conjecture....

and what do the playoffs have to do with anything?? this is an avs-oilers debate which u brought up. neither made the playoffs, but we sure owned you guys.
we beat you 4 of 5 and dominated on the scoresheet.

dude, you need to quit while you're way behind.

any spelling errors?? sure hope not...fingers crossed!!!

But the addition of a first overall will totally make up for that MASSIVE goal differential. The avs have talent, that isn't being debated. But they're NOT a playoff team. And I definitely don't see them as equals to the oilers.
- JShack

but I spelled 'piece' wrong....so I guess that means he's right??




he's good for some entertainment at least.

But the addition of a first overall will totally make up for that MASSIVE goal differential. The avs have talent, that isn't being debated. But they're NOT a playoff team. And I definitely don't see them as equals to the oilers.
- JShack

this

Av fans always showing up in Oiler threads trying to convince people how great their young stars are compared to ours.

Av fans always showing up in Oiler threads trying to convince people how great their young stars are compared to ours.
- yaktalksback

inferiority complex. straight outta the textbook

How about we try to add David Moss from Phoenix? He was Gordon's partner last season on what was a great shutdown line for the Coyotes. I can't see him being THAT costly either. Their top-6 is looking filled out, but maybe they'll take Hemsky and a 3rd in 2015 for him? I can't see them wanting MORE D prospects and the only forward prospect of notable value is Rajala (we JUST drafted Roy and Slepyshev).

A better top 6?

Hall - 50 pts
Eberle - 47
Hell, GAGNER had 48 last year, more than Eberle
Yak - 31 pts (how many the last week of the season, btw?)

Duchene - 43pts
PaP -43 pts
RoR - Missed lots, same with Landy, both are capable of similar/more
Statsny - 24 pts in 40 games..

Perron, had 25 pts.. in 48 games.. in ST LOUIS. On a better team..

RNH scored 24 pts in 40 games.

RoR would have put up more than he did barring a holdout.

He had 20 pts in 29 games. Contrary, Patrick Sharp had 20 pts in 28 games.

I'm not sure how you think you win this.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Perron got those 24 points playing in a system that isn't ideal for his skill set.

Nuge suffered from a debilitating injury and a sophomore slump and will almost undoubtedly bounce back in a big way next season.

That having been said, the Avs' forward depth beats the Oilers' by miles. Duchene, PAP, Landeskog, Stastny, ROR, Mackinnon, Tanguay, Downie, McGinn, and Mitchell is a group I do truly envy. It's a great mix of shooters, passers, physicality, two-way play, and speed. It's also fairly deep with forwards like Heard, Malone, and possibly Hishon capable of filling a number of roles. Your team's defense, however, is a completely different story. Possibly the worst in the league (besides maybe Florida) as of today.

I'm sure that last point has been flogged to death already, though!

Brownlee wrote an interesting piece on brule. Apparently he was fighting depression during his stint here. Now he's clear. Found a better route than meds to clear his head (who woulda guessed). Hard hitter with some offensive touch.

I wouldn't be opposed to a tryout as brown lee stated. If he impresses we do have a third line spot for him.

Brownlee wrote an interesting piece on brule. Apparently he was fighting depression during his stint here. Now he's clear. Found a better route than meds to clear his head (who woulda guessed). Hard hitter with some offensive touch.

I wouldn't be opposed to a tryout as brown lee stated. If he impresses we do have a third line spot for him.
- ystoil

It certainly wouldn't hurt. Our bottom-6 is currently incredibly weak especially considering how much MacT has talked about improving that area specifically.

It certainly wouldn't hurt. Our bottom-6 is currently incredibly weak especially considering how much MacT has talked about improving that area specifically.
- MaximumBone

he's also been consistent (including pro-rating) for 10-15 goals

if he plays that physical game and adds some weight, maybe he can be a bit like torres

Brownlee wrote an interesting piece on brule. Apparently he was fighting depression during his stint here. Now he's clear. Found a better route than meds to clear his head (who woulda guessed). Hard hitter with some offensive touch.

I wouldn't be opposed to a tryout as brown lee stated. If he impresses we do have a third line spot for him.
- ystoil

The depression issue was not really a secret.

I wouldn't be opposed to him getting a pto invite to camp, but being only 5'10"ish he does not really solve the "need big bodies" problem the team has.

The depression issue was not really a secret.

I wouldn't be opposed to him getting a pto invite to camp, but being only 5'10"ish he does not really solve the "need big bodies" problem the team has.
- OilHorse

Yeah, I guess I forgot about it completely. I vaguely remembered it.

You're right, doesn't solve size but does improve physicality and the potential for scoring in our bottom 6. Imagine if we acquired Clifford or signed Morrow. I'm okay with a bit less size as long as they play physical and hard to play against.

Morrow/Clifford - Gordon - Brule

Not half bad.

Edit: Injury problems are a concern as well. Just felt like changing up the discussion a bit too.

It certainly wouldn't hurt. Our bottom-6 is currently incredibly weak especially considering how much MacT has talked about improving that area specifically.
- MaximumBone

If you had to give a reason for the oilers troubles these last 6 seasons, what would you say it is. Personally, I think injuries is the biggest reason. Hemsky-horcoff-Whitney. Arguably our best 3 players since the cup run have been riddled with injuries. If they were healthy and performed to their full capabilities, do the oilers have 3 first overalls? Doubtful.

What I'm trying to say is. I think the oilers as a whole can surprise this year just by having a healthy top 6, top 4 with a solid performance from duby.

Yeah, I guess I forgot about it completely. I vaguely remembered it.

You're right, doesn't solve size but does improve physicality and the potential for scoring in our bottom 6. Imagine if we acquired Clifford or signed Morrow. I'm okay with a bit less size as long as they play physical and hard to play against.

Morrow/Clifford - Gordon - Brule

Not half bad.

Edit: Injury problems are a concern as well. Just felt like changing up the discussion a bit too.
- ystoil

I like morrow on the left side. I really think we could use a few experienced top 9 guys for the wing. Also, barring any injuries hemmer and morrow could move up and down. I'd just like to have 1 or 2 guys in our forward corps that have been there. Guys that can hold halls, RNH and eberles hand when the time comes.