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moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 10:34 PM ET
Yep. I want Talbot on the 4th line and be available to slideup
- Jsaquella



interesting. I'm ok with that. I like the energy the younger guys bring... rinaldo, mcginn, laughton.

whats your 4th line look like then... Laughton? Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 10:35 PM ET
interesting. I'm ok with that. I like the energy the younger guys bring... rinaldo, mcginn, laughton.

whats your 4th line look like then... Laughton? Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo?

- moylander


Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

Rosehill as 13th fwd
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 16 @ 10:36 PM ET
Definitely want Talbot in the lineup. Is his leg officially all better now?
- BulliesPhan87

Yessir indeedily.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 10:36 PM ET
Definitely want Talbot in the lineup. Is his leg officially all better now?
- BulliesPhan87


Should be OK...Gotta MAx the line-up somewhere
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 16 @ 10:37 PM ET
Well for one thing, the coach doesn't seem willing to use McGinn in a 4th line role. Probably because he's not an especially good skater and doesn't have a very good two way game.

Simmonds also progressed faster than McGinn, jumping immediately from being a 3rd year junior player to the NHL on the Kings' third line. McGinn played 4 years of junior, really didn't do much to earn a NHL shot before opening some eyes late in his AHL rookie season.

Until Gagne is signed, I'm not going to include him in proposed line-ups anyhow. Obviously if he does end up back here, he'd trump McGinn on the third line, and Talbot and Rinaldo being on the 4th line would likely see McGinn playing in the AHL

- Jsaquella

I'm not even a little torn between Gagne and any kid in our system. A 33 year old Gagne with a history of serious injuries is better then anything we have developing. I think he helps make us a contender.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 10:39 PM ET
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

Rosehill as 13th fwd

- Jsaquella


I like it.

Is Laughton eligible to play in Adirondack?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 10:39 PM ET
I'm not even a little torn between Gagne and any kid in our system. A 33 year old Gagne with a history of serious injuries is better then anything we have developing. I think he helps make us a contender.
- dingo8urbaby


It's a matter more of contract slots and cap room than a preference for McGinn over Gagne or vice versa. Gagne hasn't been re-signed, so I don't have him on my radar yet.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 16 @ 10:39 PM ET
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

Rosehill as 13th fwd

- Jsaquella

I would like to get Laughton in. I think he'll be bored in the CHL. I think he can and will work his ass off in camp and preseason to make it impossible to cut him from the roster. If he makes it I imagine Hall would be our 13th and Rosehill would go down to the AHL.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 10:40 PM ET
I like it.

Is Laughton eligible to play in Adirondack?

- moylander


Nope, and he could force his way onto the team with a strong camp. If Laughton makes the team, I'd consider using him on the 4th line with Hall & Rinaldo and bumping Talbot up to the 3rd line.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 16 @ 10:46 PM ET
Nope, and he could force his way onto the team with a strong camp. If Laughton makes the team, I'd consider using him on the 4th line with Hall & Rinaldo and bumping Talbot up to the 3rd line.
- Jsaquella


I realize the Flyers have some young forwards, but playing players like Laughtan and McGinn is necessary for their development. it's a fine line you walk. With injuries and the like signing a player like Gagne wouldn't be a bad idea as long as it doesn't hurt the cap. Assets are always good.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 16 @ 10:47 PM ET
It's a matter more of contract slots and cap room than a preference for McGinn over Gagne or vice versa. Gagne hasn't been re-signed, so I don't have him on my radar yet.
- Jsaquella

That's fair. The only hurdle we have is to get rid of Meszaros.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 10:50 PM ET
I realize the Flyers have some young forwards, but playing players like Laughtan and McGinn is necessary for their development. it's a fine line you walk. With injuries and the like signing a player like Gagne wouldn't be a bad idea as long as it doesn't hurt the cap. Assets are always good.
- jstross


I don't think Laughton is hurt with another year in the OHL, or McGinn in the AHL playing a top 6 role.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 16 @ 10:52 PM ET
I don't think Laughton is hurt with another year in the OHL, or McGinn in the AHL playing a top 6 role.
- Jsaquella


Honestly you would know better than me so I'll go with it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 10:52 PM ET
That's fair. The only hurdle we have is to get rid of Meszaros.
- dingo8urbaby


That could be a big hurdle. $4mm cap hit isn't easy for cap team to absorb, $5.5mm salary is a hard pill for teams trying to get over the cap floor and the injury history is worrisome to everybody.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 10:55 PM ET
Honestly you would know better than me so I'll go with it.
- jstross


Ionly say that because neither dominated those particular levels. Laughton had a very good breakout year for Oshawa, but he wasn't a dominant force, just played really well. He could probably handle NHL time now, but I can't see going back to Oshawa, as the first line center, being that detrimental.

For McGinn, he'd see a lot of ice time as a Phantom, probably getting a ton of PP opportunities, to boot.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 17 @ 12:52 AM ET
Rosehill isn't here to play a regular shift on the 4th line, he's here to beat guys up.

Also, to be fair, he's actually not as bad a skater as I thought he was.

But if Rosehill's dressed, he's playing 3-4 minutes. It's not helping McGinn to play that small amount, better to play in the AHL.

Also, Rosehill is likely the 13th forward, as the 4th line will probably be Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

- Jsaquella


With G, Hall, and Vinny, and assuming marked improvements from B Schenn and Couts, we should have a good to very good faceoff team this year. That's big.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 17 @ 2:20 AM ET
how long till homer is replaced with hexy
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jul 17 @ 2:42 AM ET
how long till homer is replaced with hexy
- 2Real


2 seasons. Cup is won in 2014-2015 season and Homer retires after.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 17 @ 8:16 AM ET
I see LA is reassembling the Legion Of Poon.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 17 @ 8:52 AM ET
interesting. I'm ok with that. I like the energy the younger guys bring... rinaldo, mcginn, laughton.

whats your 4th line look like then... Laughton? Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo?

- moylander



I personally think having Talbot on the 4th line is a waste. If they're going to use Couturier as the 3rd line Center, and to check other teams top lines. Then you want Talbot on the Wing, not McGinn.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 17 @ 8:54 AM ET
Other then sentimental reasons, I'm not sure why so many folks want Gagne re-signed so badly. Yes, he played well last year, but the odds of Gagne even being healthy by April are slim at best and he is certainly not the same player he was a few years ago. With Timonen, Lacavalier, Talbot, Hartnell etc.. they have enough leadership/role models, so I would rather save a contract spot and go with youth.

At this point, I would try to move Mez, and if unable, I would reluctantly trade Grossmann and just go with the following:

Forwards
Hartnell-G-Voracek
Schenn-Vinnie-Simmonds
McGinn or Talbot-Coots-Read
Talbot or Hall-Laughton or Hall-Rinaldo
Rosehill

defense
Timonen-Schenn
Streit-Coburn
Gustafsson-Grossman or Mez
Bourdon or Gervais

Goal
Mason & Emery
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 17 @ 8:55 AM ET
Ionly say that because neither dominated those particular levels. Laughton had a very good breakout year for Oshawa, but he wasn't a dominant force, just played really well. He could probably handle NHL time now, but I can't see going back to Oshawa, as the first line center, being that detrimental.

For McGinn, he'd see a lot of ice time as a Phantom, probably getting a ton of PP opportunities, to boot.

- Jsaquella


I think McGinn is best served this year as a top line forward on the phantoms.

If we can get gagne in here for the 3rd line. I'm ok with it, even though our bottom 6 group would be undersized
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 17 @ 8:56 AM ET
I personally think having Talbot on the 4th line is a waste. If they're going to use Couturier as the 3rd line Center, and to check other teams top lines. Then you want Talbot on the Wing, not McGinn.
- MJL


So do you see a place for gagne in the lineup?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 17 @ 8:57 AM ET
That could be a big hurdle. $4mm cap hit isn't easy for cap team to absorb, $5.5mm salary is a hard pill for teams trying to get over the cap floor and the injury history is worrisome to everybody.
- Jsaquella


Buyout.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 8:59 AM ET
Pretty disturbing if you ask me!

- MJL


What's wrong with butt play? That's just how we show emotional affection in South NJ.
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