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Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:13 PM ET
Agreed I heard randy say in interview he likes what Detroit does with their rookies, throw them in to make sure he knows what they are and their potential. I would imagine we will.see that happen.more in an 82 game season.

I also think its going to let us watch Rielly on the big club for at least a week into the season

- Jay Uller


not sold on that yet.. i think he would have to have not just a good camp but a dominate one.

the leafs are kinda flooded with offensive minded d-men right now

thats why i think he goes back to junior this year.. dominates that level and gets another WJC in
TonkaPhaneuf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Where'd canucks fans go? -daeth Too busy with the lotto simulator - seagull
Joined: 11.22.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:14 PM ET
Anybody think Gauthier is ready to step into the fourth line C role yet? That kid looks like a beast. In which case i could see Colborne being packaged with Liles and sent off in a trade.

Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 15 @ 4:15 PM ET
Anybody think Gauthier is ready to step into the fourth line C role yet? That kid looks like a beast. In which case i could see Colborne being packaged with Liles and sent off in a trade.
- TonkaPhaneuf

No.






















lol
Jay Uller
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 09.27.2009

Jul 15 @ 4:19 PM ET
not sold on that yet.. i think he would have to have not just a good camp but a dominate one.

the leafs are kinda flooded with offensive minded d-men right now

thats why i think he goes back to junior this year.. dominates that level and gets another WJC in

- Dozzer


He won't stick, but someone will sit and he will get a couple games. A little taste of the show could bring Rielly to a different level in Jr. confidence is a hell of a thing
XxHarounXx
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sam Gagner dealt to Toronto for Gardiner+ - Cloutier, ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:19 PM ET
No.















lol

- AdamFrench

^ this
allycat
Joined: 05.17.2007

Jul 15 @ 4:21 PM ET
What a lottery the NHL can be, from both sides: Franson goes from the doghouse to being teacher's pet; Nonis is expected to cough up a 5 year plus contract to a guy who's had one good year.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:22 PM ET
This. Carlyle will sit him down and say if you wanna play in the NHL you have to throw the body...... either he will or we will see a different prospect.
- Jay Uller


this.

cody franson hits per game average

rookie: 0.902 hits per game
year 2: 1.013 hits per game
year 3: 1.789 hits per game
year 4: 2.755 hits per game

his physical play stepped up under carlyle without question
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:23 PM ET
He won't stick, but someone will sit and he will get a couple games. A little taste of the show could bring Rielly to a different level in Jr. confidence is a hell of a thing
- Jay Uller


yeah, i have no issue keeping him up for the 9 games at all.. but i dont think he should stay.. not yet
Jeffmt
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.11.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:23 PM ET
Seriously. Was Matt Stajan a 50 point player in Toronto? Yes. You don't win with Matt Stajan in your lineup.
- honesthockey


Matt Stajan, being the only 50 point player in NHL history, is hence, the only comparable here. Good on you for catching that.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:24 PM ET
Anybody think Gauthier is ready to step into the fourth line C role yet? That kid looks like a beast. In which case i could see Colborne being packaged with Liles and sent off in a trade.
- TonkaPhaneuf




i think you're grasping and missing
thehockeygod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cloud 9, Halo County , ON
Joined: 05.28.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:25 PM ET
Or Kulemin if you have to.
- Fakepartofme



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEE....

Kuly stays...
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Jul 15 @ 4:26 PM ET
it would work till bozie looked off naz and bolland and put it in the bench tying to feed phil
- Jay Uller




Jay Uller
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 09.27.2009

Jul 15 @ 4:26 PM ET
yeah, i have no issue keeping him up for the 9 games at all.. but i dont think he should stay.. not yet
- Dozzer


Completely agree, after the first few weeks when teams get more physically imposing he might not be able to handle it.. But with that said scouts seemed to think he handled the step up in size with ease. .. But we are deep enough to bring him in slower, too many guys deserve a look right now
TonkaPhaneuf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Where'd canucks fans go? -daeth Too busy with the lotto simulator - seagull
Joined: 11.22.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:28 PM ET


i think you're grasping and missing

- Dozzer


Just asking...
I really know nothing about the kid, except that he is big.
I'm just hoping we move Liles but i think we will have to package someone with him. Colborne was my only idea, if gauthier made him expendable.
Jeffmt
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.11.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:28 PM ET
You don't win with this player.
- honesthockey


Cliched vague hockey statement that doesn't really mean anything.
steve362
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:30 PM ET
Anybody think Gauthier is ready to step into the fourth line C role yet? That kid looks like a beast. In which case i could see Colborne being packaged with Liles and sent off in a trade.
- TonkaPhaneuf


Why can't we hold off on trading our young assets, Bozak emerged as a decent player so we wanted to trade Kadri, Reilly was picked so we wanted to trade Gardiner. Now Gauthier is picked so we trade Colborne? Stop the madness!
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:33 PM ET
Just asking...
I really know nothing about the kid, except that he is big.
I'm just hoping we move Liles but i think we will have to package someone with him. Colborne was my only idea, if gauthier made him expendable.

- TonkaPhaneuf


i suppose it would depend on what comes back.. but yeah i agree .. colborne would be a def consideration.

but then again.. the leafs strength would be their defensive prospects.. liles coupled with percy or finn? who knows.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jul 15 @ 4:34 PM ET
Completely agree, after the first few weeks when teams get more physically imposing he might not be able to handle it.. But with that said scouts seemed to think he handled the step up in size with ease. .. But we are deep enough to bring him in slower, too many guys deserve a look right now
- Jay Uller


yeah.. what bothers me when it comes to rushing him is that he really has only had two full seasons of junior because his second was a wash.

i'd like to see him go dominate.. although I am sure the leafs wish his junior team didnt suck balls the way they do.
Jay Uller
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 09.27.2009

Jul 15 @ 4:38 PM ET
yeah.. what bothers me when it comes to rushing him is that he really has only had two full seasons of junior because his second was a wash.

i'd like to see him go dominate.. although I am sure the leafs wish his junior team didnt suck balls the way they do.

- Dozzer


Seguin only had two seasons, I could see Nonis wanting to send him down if he was going to contend for a memorial cup.. But his team is terrible unless he gets traded** beat me to it ahaha
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
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Jul 15 @ 4:41 PM ET
Seguin only had two seasons, I could see Nonis wanting to send him down if he was going to contend for a memorial cup.. But his team is terrible unless he gets traded** beat me to it ahaha
- Jay Uller


yup.. and look at what a pro seguin has become.

i honestly dont think a 18-19 your old kid should be playing at that level.. too much money and success too soon will mess a kid up.. especially in toronto

i'd argue schenn's development was hampered by wilsons decision to keep him at such a young age

whereas, looking at kadri.. who was brought along properly.. seems to have adjusted to pro life without confidence issues and setbacks.

Jay Uller
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 09.27.2009

Jul 15 @ 4:42 PM ET
I'm sure most have watched it, but here is a scouting reel for Gauthier. Decent wheels for a big guy http://www.youtube.com/wa...ture=youtube_gdata_player
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:42 PM ET
Just asking...
I really know nothing about the kid, except that he is big.
I'm just hoping we move Liles but i think we will have to package someone with him. Colborne was my only idea, if gauthier made him expendable.

- TonkaPhaneuf

I don't know much about prospects either, but I do know this:

Unless the kid is drafted in the top 3, any suggestion to play him with the big club four months after he is drafted should be met with a punch to the crotch.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 15 @ 4:44 PM ET
not sold on that yet.. i think he would have to have not just a good camp but a dominate one.

the leafs are kinda flooded with offensive minded d-men right now

thats why i think he goes back to junior this year.. dominates that level and gets another WJC in

- Dozzer


Might depend also on how things go with Franson, Fraser and Gunnarsson.

Is it me or is the big stay at home guys that seem to have the biggest need to stay in the jr's? OEL, Karlson, Doughty, Del Zotto, Carlson, Kulikov, Leddy - all pmd's who stuck as 18 or 19 yr olds and have developed well.
Jay Uller
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 09.27.2009

Jul 15 @ 4:45 PM ET
yup.. and look at what a pro seguin has become.

i honestly dont think a 18-19 your old kid should be playing at that level.. too much money and success too soon will mess a kid up.. especially in toronto

i'd argue schenn's development was hampered by wilsons decision to keep him at such a young age

whereas, looking at kadri.. who was brought along properly.. seems to have adjusted to pro life without confidence issues and setbacks.

- Dozzer


I think it depends on the kid too, Seguin was/is a wild child.. While I agree he should have time to mature, plenty of kids where able to deal with it and have success. Seeing him go through a serious knee surgery and come out of it without missing a beat speaks volumes about his character
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 15 @ 4:47 PM ET
I don't know much about prospects either, but I do know this:

Unless the kid is drafted in the top 3, any suggestion to play him with the big club four months after he is drafted should be met with a punch to the crotch.

- Atomic Wedgie

Especially when the lad can barely score for the final 34 games of the year.
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