How would the Flyers drafting after the 1st round stack up against the rest of the league?
- jstross

Not so hot, but it's in large part because they have traded quite a lot of 2nd and 3rd rounders away for veterans.

Super. I would have rather taken Jimmy Lodge in the 3rd, then taken Goulbourne in the 5th round, because he likely would have been there in the 5th round.
- Jsaquella

No Homer said in a interview that he thought a few teams had interest in picking him at some point in between their 3rd and 5th picks.

Super. I would have rather taken Jimmy Lodge in the 3rd, then taken Goulbourne in the 5th round, because he likely would have been there in the 5th round.
- Jsaquella

or just trade down and stockpile those picks for trades. Either way don't take a 2-3 rd reach that high.

No Homer said in a interview that he thought a few teams had interest in picking him at some point in between their 3rd and 5th picks.
- JAKEw1234

Then let them. There's always high energy guys like that later. Zac Rinaldo was a 6th rounder. They just drafted his replacement in the 3rd round.

Wanna know why the Red Wings land very good players in the late rounds? Because they look at skill level in the late rounds. Maybe a dude is too small, but he's the most skilled guy, so they take him.

That's how they end up taking guys like Filppula and Franzen in the third round, and why the Flyers drafts Klotz and Goulbourne there.

The Flyers 3rd rd pick reminds me of so many Andy Reid picks in the 2nd-4th rd. Reid initially over came the problem by just having so many picks every year. Flyers don't have that luxury.

or just trade down and stockpile those picks for trades. Either way don't take a 2-3 rd reach that high.
- jstross

Exactly. Add more picks, it gives you time to evaluate and if a guy is doing well a year or two later, then you can sign him and get him in the system.

Then let them. There's always high energy guys like that later. Zac Rinaldo was a 6th rounder. They just drafted his replacement in the 3rd round.

Wanna know why the Red Wings land very good players in the late rounds? Because they look at skill level in the late rounds. Maybe a dude is too small, but he's the most skilled guy, so they take him.

That's how they end up taking guys like Filppula and Franzen in the third round, and why the Flyers drafts Klotz and Goulbourne there.
- Jsaquella

In later rounds I personally would hold things like work ethic and leadership ability higher than anything else.

In later rounds I personally would hold things like work ethic and leadership ability higher than anything else.
- JAKEw1234

Those are important, but if I see a skilled kid sitting there and he slipped because his size or he had an off year, I'd still go with skill.

You can teach a guy to skate better. You can figure out ways to motivate guys and make them work harder. You can't teach a guy to have good hands

Those are important, but if I see a skilled kid sitting there and he slipped because his size or he had an off year, I'd still go with skill.

You can teach a guy to skate better. You can figure out ways to motivate guys and make them work harder. You can't teach a guy to have good hands
- Jsaquella

See my logic is the guys with the highest work ethic and leadership ability are the guys more likely to rise above their 5th/7th round projection and be late bloomers. Matt Read, for instance, went undrafted, but has tremendous work ethic as well as good leadership ability.

See my logic is the guys with the highest work ethic and leadership ability are the guys more likely to rise above their 5th/7th round projection and be late bloomers. Matt Read, for instance, went undrafted, but has tremendous work ethic as well as good leadership ability.
- JAKEw1234

Matt Read went undrafted, but he also didn't take a traditional route to the NHL. He played Junior A & B, but never entered the feeder system of the CHL(which is the OHL, WHL and QMJHL).

He ended up going the US college route, but wasn't a freshman at age 18. He started at Bemidji St as a 20 year old, which is when more teams took notice of him.

Matt Read went undrafted, but he also didn't take a traditional route to the NHL. He played Junior A & B, but never entered the feeder system of the CHL(which is the OHL, WHL and QMJHL).

He ended up going the US college route, but wasn't a freshman at age 18. He started at Bemidji St as a 20 year old, which is when more teams took notice of him.
- Jsaquella

But you can understand my point. Guys with really high work ethic are the ones who are more coachable, more willing to do the hard work to get better, and more likely to become late bloomers.

But you can understand my point. Guys with really high work ethic are the ones who are more coachable, more willing to do the hard work to get better, and more likely to become late bloomers.
- JAKEw1234

I would have been ecstatic with Goulbourne as a 5th or 6th rounder. I'm fine with taking a less skilled guy who works his ass off in a later round. Just not in the third round, when you still have several really highly regarded prospects sitting there.

Goulbourne will likely make the NHL before some of those more skilled players, but those skilled players will likely be better NHLers.

I would have been ecstatic with Goulbourne as a 5th or 6th rounder. I'm fine with taking a less skilled guy who works his ass off in a later round. Just not in the third round, when you still have several really highly regarded prospects sitting there.

Goulbourne will likely make the NHL before some of those more skilled players, but those skilled players will likely be better NHLers.
- Jsaquella

Yup. Look at Lauridsen, too. He was a shot in the dark 6th round pick with tremendous size. I'm sure there were more skilled guys on the board, but the X factor is that Ollie has the work ethic of a horse, and never stops. Now, even if he's only a 6th dman, he still looks like a tremendous 6th round find.

I would have been ecstatic with Goulbourne as a 5th or 6th rounder. I'm fine with taking a less skilled guy who works his ass off in a later round. Just not in the third round, when you still have several really highly regarded prospects sitting there.

Goulbourne will likely make the NHL before some of those more skilled players, but those skilled players will likely be better NHLers.
- Jsaquella

i thought laughton was a huge stretch and i was disappointed with the pick that year. i was wrong, in hindsight. I'm going to take the wait and see approach before I say goulbourne was a stretch. If he makes the NHL thats a win for a 3rd round pick.

Yup. Look at Lauridsen, too. He was a shot in the dark 6th round pick with tremendous size. I'm sure there were more skilled guys on the board, but the X factor is that Ollie has the work ethic of a horse, and never stops. Now, even if he's only a 6th dman, he still looks like a tremendous 6th round find.
- JAKEw1234

Lauridsen still fills a specific role that is desirable-a defenseman with good size. Comparing that to an energy forward/agitator isn't really an even comparison. That late int the draft, you're taking shots in the dark.

If you get a NHLer that late, generally it's a guy like Rinaldo or Lauridsen, a 4th liner/6th defenseman kind of guy.

But in the third round, I'm picking skill over the other stuff. Now, if there's two skilled guys, and one works like a Beaver after an 8 ball of coke and 6 Red Bulls, and the other guys is kind of inconsistent in his effort, yeah give me the guy busting his ass.

i thought laughton was a huge stretch and i was disappointed with the pick that year. i was wrong, in hindsight. I'm going to take the wait and see approach before I say goulbourne was a stretch. If he makes the NHL thats a win for a 3rd round pick.
- moylander

I wasn't disappointed, but I expected them to go Maatta at that spot. I knew of Laughton, and had no issue with the pick.

My issue with Goulbourne is, that he wasn't a reach of 7 or 8 picks. He was a reach of a round or two. I think he would have been there in the 5th round, Hell, he didn;t even expect to go until the 6th round himself

Lauridsen still fills a specific role that is desirable-a defenseman with good size. Comparing that to an energy forward/agitator isn't really an even comparison. That late int the draft, you're taking shots in the dark.

If you get a NHLer that late, generally it's a guy like Rinaldo or Lauridsen, a 4th liner/6th defenseman kind of guy.

But in the third round, I'm picking skill over the other stuff. Now, if there's two skilled guys, and one works like a Beaver after an 8 ball of coke and 6 Red Bulls, and the other guys is kind of inconsistent in his effort, yeah give me the guy busting his ass.
- Jsaquella

Even if there are two players, one has a decently higher skill level with decently lower work ethic, and one has decently lower skill level with decently higher work ethic, I'd choose the work ethic guy.

Even if there are two players, one has a decently higher skill level with decently lower work ethic, and one has decently lower skill level with decently higher work ethic, I'd choose the work ethic guy.
- JAKEw1234

It depends what round to me....Third round, I'm looking at skill, unless it's a guy with Zherdev or Petr Klima level intensity.

I wasn't disappointed, but I expected them to go Maatta at that spot. I knew of Laughton, and had no issue with the pick.

My issue with Goulbourne is, that he wasn't a reach of 7 or 8 picks. He was a reach of a round or two. I think he would have been there in the 5th round, Hell, he didn;t even expect to go until the 6th round himself
- Jsaquella

No doubt he's there in the 4th. 72 is a very high pick. I hate to harp on it, but trade 72 for like 120 and get another 3rd or 4th 2014 and still get your guy.

It depends what round to me....Third round, I'm looking at skill, unless it's a guy with Zherdev or Petr Klima level intensity.
- Jsaquella

Well personally for me I'm using my 3rd rounder every year on a goalie. That's the prime time to take the highly-ranked goalies.

Well personally for me I'm using my 3rd rounder every year on a goalie. That's the prime time to take the highly-ranked goalies.
- JAKEw1234

I'm taking BPA in the first 3 rounds, regardless of position. The only time I'd lock into a specific position is if there was a massive need for a specific spot.

In the case of the Flyers, they needed everything in their system prior to this past draft. The systemic depth was non-existent at every position on the ice.

Hinkie made another nice trade today. Future draft considerations for White(houston's 1st rounder(16) in last years draft. Has an anxiety disorder and hasn't played yet. Get treatment and he could be a quality player. If not they don't give up much. High reward, low risk.

I'm taking BPA in the first 3 rounds, regardless of position. The only time I'd lock into a specific position is if there was a massive need for a specific spot.

In the case of the Flyers, they needed everything in their system prior to this past draft. The systemic depth was non-existent at every position on the ice.
- Jsaquella

I actually like the Flyers 5-7 picks. I also have no issue with 1 and 2. 3 was deer in the headlights.

Hinkie made another nice trade today. Future draft considerations for White(houston's 1st rounder(16) in last years draft. Has an anxiety disorder and hasn't played yet. Get treatment and he could be a quality player. If not they don't give up much. High reward, low risk.
- jstross

From what I have read-granted, I don;t care about the Sixers or NBA-they key piece in that deal was the other guy they added, Aldemir.

I actually like the Flyers 5-7 picks. I also have no issue with 1 and 2. 3 was deer in the headlights.
- jstross

Yeah, I am not a fan of the 3rd rounder. Had he been a 5th rounder, I would have been happy with it.

I don't dislike the player. He's very probably going to be a NHLer in the next 3-4 years. Using that criteria, it's not a bad pick.

But if a kid like Jimmy Lodge or Jordan Subban becomes a top six forward or top 4 defenseman, they passed them over for a 4th line agitator