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Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 13 @ 4:54 PM ET
Has anyone signed Bryz?
- LJF

He sent applications to the Courier Post, Delco Times, Inquirer, and Daily News. If you can't beat 'em...
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 13 @ 4:56 PM ET
Same here. But I'd definitely prefer that they give one of the young kids a shot over signing Gagne. But I won't be upset if they do.
- MJL


I agree. Would like to see a young kid step up and get an opportunity. However, if they decide to keep Gagne at a fair price its okay.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 13 @ 5:01 PM ET
He sent applications to the Courier Post, Delco Times, Inquirer, and Daily News. If you can't beat 'em...
- Flyskippy



he cant be any less knowledgeable about hockey than their current writers.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jul 13 @ 5:11 PM ET
Pronger will be back this year. It's an Olympic year
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 13 @ 5:20 PM ET
I checked to see if Jsaq did first.
- Flyskippy


I was busy working, otherwise, you know I would have, Sunshine
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jul 13 @ 5:44 PM ET
Holy quiet today...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 5:47 PM ET
This is a new stripe for you and not at all indicative of any posts of yours from the past two years.


- Flyskippy

Can I at least get an e for effort?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 5:48 PM ET
Holy quiet today...
- SMS4016

Sum ting Wong
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 13 @ 5:54 PM ET
It's not any different then Draft picks. 2nd and 3rd round picks that go on to become very good NHL players are also outliers. Looking for undrafted talent that the draft overlooked is a good way to increase your prospect base. You're not going to hit on every one. Just like you aren't with draft picks. The Flyers should absolutely continue to do what they're doing in the undrafted UFA market.
- MJL



Trying to find prospects via UFA route is like going up to a buffet at the end of the night, looking over the picked-over carnage, and double-checking to see if a lobster tail didn't accidentally fall between a couple of chafing dishes. Yeah, one lucky guy might come out with the lobster, but the copy-cats are probably not going to find anything worth eating that way.

The draft is the first pass, and is light-years ahead in terms of probability of finding good players (and maybe lobster, too).
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 13 @ 6:05 PM ET
Trying to find prospects via UFA route is like going up to a buffet at the end of the night, looking over the picked-over carnage, and double-checking to see if a lobster tail didn't accidentally fall between a couple of chafing dishes. Yeah, one lucky guy might come out with the lobster, but the copy-cats are probably not going to find anything worth eating that way.

The draft is the first pass, and is light-years ahead in terms of probability of finding good players (and maybe lobster, too).

- Tomahawk

We got Matt Read, Erik Gustafsson, and now Michael Raffl as undrafted UFA signings. Matt Read, and Erik Gustafsson have proven themselves to be effective NHL starters, and now hopefully Raffl will follow. I'd much rather use roster spaces on undrafted over-agers like Gus, Read, and Raffl who are beginning to show that they're just late bloomers, than use the same roster spaces on 6th/7th round career CHL or AHL players.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 13 @ 6:06 PM ET
Sum ting Wong
- JoeRussomanno

Ho Lee Fuk, I can't believe you went there
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 13 @ 6:07 PM ET
We got Matt Read, Erik Gustafsson, and now Michael Raffl as undrafted UFA signings. Matt Read, and Erik Gustafsson have proven themselves to be effective NHL starters, and now hopefully Raffl will follow. I'd much rather use roster spaces on undrafted over-agers like Gus, Read, and Raffl who are beginning to show that they're just late bloomers, than use the same roster spaces on 6th/7th round career CHL or AHL players.
- JAKEw1234


Read and Raffl were not regular undrafted hidden gems. They were fairly well known and teams competed for them.

For every Gustafsson, there 2 or 3 Mike Testwuides, Andrew Rowes or Tyler Browns that never sniff the NHL
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:09 PM ET
Ho Lee Fuk, I can't believe you went there
- KINGKENZO

Wi tu lo on posts today
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:10 PM ET
We got Matt Read, Erik Gustafsson, and now Michael Raffl as undrafted UFA signings. Matt Read, and Erik Gustafsson have proven themselves to be effective NHL starters, and now hopefully Raffl will follow. I'd much rather use roster spaces on undrafted over-agers like Gus, Read, and Raffl who are beginning to show that they're just late bloomers, than use the same roster spaces on 6th/7th round career CHL or AHL players.
- JAKEw1234

Homer gets a cookie for Undrafted free agents
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 13 @ 6:11 PM ET
Read and Raffl were not regular undrafted hidden gems. They were fairly well known and teams competed for them.

For every Gustafsson, there 2 or 3 Mike Testwuides, Andrew Rowes or Tyler Browns that never sniff the NHL

- Jsaquella

I hate the hype the undrafted college free agents get. Matt Gilroy, Stepan DeCosta, JT Brown(Tampa). Thankfully Read has panned out and has been the best of the bunch
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 13 @ 6:11 PM ET
Wi tu lo on posts today
- JoeRussomanno

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 13 @ 6:13 PM ET
I was busy working, otherwise, you know I would have, Sunshine
- Jsaquella

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:21 PM ET

- KINGKENZO

I heard the news lady is so grieved that she's changing her screen name to Wan dum ho.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 13 @ 6:31 PM ET
Read and Raffl were not regular undrafted hidden gems. They were fairly well known and teams competed for them.

For every Gustafsson, there 2 or 3 Mike Testwuides, Andrew Rowes or Tyler Browns that never sniff the NHL

- Jsaquella

It's probably more like 4 or 5 but the point is, it costs no assets to sign these guys. By a later age (24 or 25), your late round long-shot picks have either begun to show some promise, or show none. There's no harm in cutting out the guys who show no promise in order go after the biggest name undrafted players. And of course we'll have to compete for guys like Read and Raffl, but our organization is one of the financial powerhouses of the league, and we can afford to drop money on guys like that, that's just part of a GM using his resources to the fullest. I don't even know why it's up for argument. In the past couple years we've been one of the big winners in the undrafted UFA market. It's helped us out a lot, and I wouldn't want to see Homer stop going after guys like that.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 13 @ 6:43 PM ET
It's probably more like 4 or 5 but the point is, it costs no assets to sign these guys..
- JAKEw1234



But it does... there's an opportunity cost associated with dedicating one of the limited contract slots on such long shots, especially when it takes a multi-year deal to land most of these guys.

There were a little over 100 undrafted players who played in the NHL last season, out of a league of 800+ players... out of that 100 or so, only a handful were what any of us would consider difference-makers. With the way teams were chasing after the next Fasth or Brunner, you'd think the odds were incredible.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 13 @ 6:50 PM ET
And that's why this team needs to be sellers
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 13 @ 7:03 PM ET
But it does... there's an opportunity cost associated with dedicating one of the limited contract slots on such long shots, especially when it takes a multi-year deal to land most of these guys.

There were a little over 100 undrafted players who played in the NHL last season, out of a league of 800+ players... out of that 100 or so, only a handful were what any of us would consider difference-makers. With the way teams were chasing after the next Fasth or Brunner, you'd think the odds were incredible.

- Tomahawk

Who would you rather use a roster spot on, a 24 year old 7th round round pick who has shown no promise to ever become an NHL player, or on a 24 year old undrafted player who is a target of multiple teams and is proving himself to be a late bloomer with good potential to become an NHL starter? If he doesn't pan out, then whatever. It's only costing us the roster spot we freed up by cutting the player of zero promise.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 13 @ 7:11 PM ET
And that's why this team needs to be sellers
- KINGKENZO


The Phillies piss me off so much right now.


Ruiz: How dare you J-Roll* a ball to left with the winning run on 3rd and nobody out?


Nix: You are so fired if I'm the GM right now.



*J-Rolling is the act of flailing madly at the first pitch and hitting a weak ass pop up somewhere.


KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 13 @ 7:16 PM ET
The Phillies piss me off so much right now.


Ruiz: How dare you J-Roll* a ball to left with the winning run on 3rd and nobody out?


Nix: You are so fired if I'm the GM right now.



*J-Rolling is the act of flailing madly at the first pitch and hitting a weak ass pop up somewhere.

- Doc_Sarcasm

For some strange reason, I think the Bruins are going to tie this game and win it in OT
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 13 @ 7:18 PM ET
The Phillies piss me off so much right now.


Ruiz: How dare you J-Roll* a ball to left with the winning run on 3rd and nobody out?


Nix: You are so fired if I'm the GM right now.



*J-Rolling is the act of flailing madly at the first pitch and hitting a weak ass pop up somewhere.

- Doc_Sarcasm


This game should've been over, but that's the story of the season. 2nd and 3rd no outs and can't score. Even my boy Frandsen couldn't get it done.


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