no one pouring cat piss on it. I am just pointing something no need to get upset. look I like vanek he played for Minnesota that means he is aces in my book. but there are better players out there. it is time to move on
- Dudestar

Yes there are better players out there. He is at least better than most give him credit for.

No prob guys. Glad to have helped

Like I said, if there is a specific guy your looking for, please let me know. I took some notes so I have at least a little on everyone
- CaptPantalones

Yes there are better players out there. He is at least better than most give him credit for.
- cabin

And then some. And then some.....

Holy cow what a day to have misses out on?



Whatd I miss from camp and trade/ufa whispers?


I think Lou should be in trouble for how he rwisted this for hi s/devils benefit
- MillerTime1130

Go back one page, good recap from Capt

what does this mean? 8th and 24th are for the past 8 seasons. He's 13th in G/PG over that stretch. He's never played with a true #1 C, and he's 5th in PPG over that stretch. He is an elite talent, and it is trolling putrid behavior to claim otherwise.
- truthbluth

You use facts and look what happens.

OT - Has anyone done / is doing the tough mudder?

what does this mean? 8th and 24th are for the past 8 seasons. He's 13th in G/PG over that stretch. He's never played with a true #1 C, and he's 5th in PPG over that stretch. He is an elite talent, and it is trolling putrid behavior to claim otherwise.
- truthbluth

it is not, but I will tell you what is. Putrid behavior is holding yourself and your opinions higher then everyone else. Putrid behavior is calling someone with an honest belief a troll. Your Putrid behavior is why it is so hard to be a fan of this everyone thinks they know something, but in the end it does not matter. You sir are Putrid behavior personified

Sharknado

OT - Has anyone done / is doing the tough mudder?
- ImThatGuy

I have worked in mud , concrete for the last 27 years of my life.
I'll pass thank you.

no one pouring cat piss on it. I am just pointing something no need to get upset. look I like vanek he played for Minnesota that means he is aces in my book. but there are better players out there. it is time to move on
- Dudestar

There aren't many better players, and certainly none on the Sabres or in the Sabres system. If Darcy had pulled the trigger and traded Vanek and Miller before the deadline, maybe the Sabres would have gone into the tank, had a top 3 pick, and then, they might have had a player in the system as good as, or better than Vanek. They didn't and now they don't. I'm all for trading Vanek if you get good pieces for the rebuild, which at minimum will require a top F prospect, but I think I'd rather resign him if he were interested. I feel the same about Miller. If you get a good offer, go ahead. Otherwise, try to resign him and build around him. Cornerstones. You don't have to have them. Some teams have none. If the Sabres traded Miller and Vanek, and Myers doesn't turn it around. They would have no cornerstone, franchise players, which is not an enviable position to be in.

It's a shame Armia isn't here cause he's kinda the one I was most curious about seeing.
- sambarugh

Ive said this a million times...I really dont think Armia is going to be anything all that special.


I watched every single world junior game of his start to finish because I was curious about him (and grigorenko on russia) and he was just blah. Sure he racked up a ton of points but only when he beat up on absolute garbage teams (latvia...i believe was a big one)


plays super lazy defensively and only turns it on in the offensive zone. takes shifts off..etc. I was totally unimpressed. If theres all this hype about him with other GMs and not just everyone on this site I'd totally trade him.


He'll be diet thomas vanek at best IMO (not just because of his wjc performance, but check his stats over the years as well. Idk...look into it.

Yes there are better players out there. He is at least better than most give him credit for.
- cabin

I can agree with this. he could use a number one center then you would really see what he is able to do.

it is not, but I will tell you what is. Putrid behavior is holding yourself and your opinions higher then everyone else. Putrid behavior is calling someone with an honest belief a troll. Your Putrid behavior is why it is so hard to be a fan of this everyone thinks they know something, but in the end it does not matter. You sir are Putrid behavior personified


- Dudestar

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

OT - Has anyone done / is doing the tough mudder?
- ImThatGuy

I am. 9am Saturday. I've been a gym rat the last year but I went from 206lbs to 165lbs for this. Up to running 7 miles a day ontop of my weight training

OT - Has anyone done / is doing the tough mudder?
- ImThatGuy

Well, a guy from my rock climbing gym who gave me my first climbing lesson was the first person to ever die while doing the tough mudder just a few months ago in WV. He drowned, so, if yo do do it, be very careful in the underwater part.

I am. 9am Saturday. I've been a gym rat the last year but I went from 206lbs to 165lbs for this. Up to running 7 miles a day ontop of my weight training
- joshs

Zombie mud run in Batavia sept 14th

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
- truthbluth

Can someone tell me what time the open practice is tmw?

There aren't many better players, and certainly none on the Sabres or in the Sabres system. If Darcy had pulled the trigger and traded Vanek and Miller before the deadline, maybe the Sabres would have gone into the tank, had a top 3 pick, and then, they might have had a player in the system as good as, or better than Vanek. They didn't and now they don't. I'm all for trading Vanek if you get good pieces for the rebuild, which at minimum will require a top F prospect, but I think I'd rather resign him if he were interested. I feel the same about Miller. If you get a good offer, go ahead. Otherwise, try to resign him and build around him. Cornerstones. You don't have to have them. Some teams have none. If the Sabres traded Miller and Vanek, and Myers doesn't turn it around. They would have no cornerstone, franchise players, which is not an enviable position to be in.
- truthbluth

Vanek is the best thing the sabres got. I agree 100%. Except I have little faith in him re-signing here. It would be great though( means I could keep my jersey.)

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
- truthbluth

well I guess you are not that bad

Can someone tell me what time the open practice is tmw?
- ronniez05

4:00

http://purchase.tickets.c...ase?orgid=591&pid=7529185

Does anyone know if girgenson played center or wing at the practice today.

Well, a guy from my rock climbing gym who gave me my first climbing lesson was the first person to ever die while doing the tough mudder just a few months ago in WV. He drowned, so, if yo do do it, be very careful in the underwater part.
- truthbluth

Sorry to hear!!

what does this mean? 8th and 24th are for the past 8 seasons. He's 13th in G/PG over that stretch. He's never played with a true #1 C, and he's 5th in PPG over that stretch. He is an elite talent, and it is trolling putrid behavior to claim otherwise.
- truthbluth

What is a "true #1C" to you?

Vanek benefited from playing with Derek Roy, who outscored Vanek in 4 straight seasons following the departure of Drury & Briere (p/g). Vanek scored both his 40 goal seasons with Derek Roy as his center, why didnt he do it more consistently? Is Derek Roy not a "true #1 center" even though he helped Vanek score 40 goals twice?

Vanek benefited from playing with Pominville, who was arguably one of the Sabres most under rated players until he got captain and everyone realized how much he did for the team.

Kind of hard to make that argument when Vanek gets outscored by players like DEREK ROY and TIM CONNOLLY.

Does anyone know if girgenson played center or wing at the practice today.
- evatnorth

I'm pretty sure today was mostly free form, fluid stuff, though I wasn't there. I've heard that the Sabres plan to move him back to his natural position of center this year.

Goals per game out of the top 120 active point scorers Vanek is 9th. He might be good


Player G/G
Alex Ovechkin 0.62
Steven Stamkos 0.56
Sidney Crosby 0.51
Evgeni Malkin 0.47
Dany Heatley 0.46
Marian Gaborik 0.44
Rick Nash 0.43
Jarome Iginla 0.43
Thomas Vanek 0.43
Marian Hossa 0.43
Alexander Semin 0.41
Jonathan Toews 0.41
Jeff Carter 0.40
Bobby Ryan 0.39
Eric Staal 0.39
Zach Parise 0.39
Corey Perry 0.38
Jason Spezza 0.37
Vincent Lecavalier 0.37
Henrik Zetterberg 0.37