maybe the same though... $51 million left to pay him over the next 5 years + the longer they keep him the more harsh the cap recapture will be if they do trade him later on because they get stuck benefiting from the lower AAV on the front-loaded contract and that does not transfer to the next team he is traded to.
- moylander

That's a factor, too, but I doubt they'd be willing to take less in trade over it.

If they put Weber on the market, there will be several bidders, and Nashville will have other options.

Sounds funny, but big upgrade. IMO, small to big upgrade across the roster for little cost. Truthfully that's for the now, but gaining assets usually helps the future.
- jstross

Rosehill's a capable enforcer, showed he can be an adequate 4th liner. Still not a fan of carrying a "goon", but c'est la vie

That's a factor, too, but I doubt they'd be willing to take less in trade over it.

If they put Weber on the market, there will be several bidders, and Nashville will have other options.
- Jsaquella

Yeah... It wont be less.

I wonder if I'd make that trade 'today' if I'm homer... Schenn, Coots, 2014 and 2015 1sts for weber.


That's a tough call considering Weber is the best dman in the league IMO.

Posting bleacher report poop should be a bannable offense

Yeah... It wont be less.

I wonder if I'd make that trade 'today' if I'm homer... Schenn, Coots, 2014 and 2015 1sts for weber.


That's a tough call considering Weber is the best dman in the league IMO.
- moylander

No

hello all. still debating the weber situation? it definitely is tricky. personally, im glad he doesnt get the opportunity to bash crosby and malkin many times a year, but the dynamics involved in such a deal is interesting from an objective point of view to say the least. i dont know who wins the deal

My crystal ball is saying that homer is waiting to see how this whole bogo arb plays out. No point making any defensive moves just yet when we could end up making a run at him.

Has there been any reports on what kind of number bogo is looking for?

Rosehill's a capable enforcer, showed he can be an adequate 4th liner. Still not a fan of carrying a "goon", but c'est la vie
- Jsaquella

Rosehill @13/14 forward not including McGlinn is a nice situation. IMO that is.

My crystal ball is saying that homer is waiting to see how this whole bogo arb plays out. No point making any defensive moves just yet when we could end up making a run at him.

Has there been any reports on what kind of number bogo is looking for?
- Roytastic

There's no real situation. Like someone in here pointed out earlier, Bogo isn't the type of player you just let walk, especially when they still have cap space. He's the kind of player that they take the arbitration salary and trade him if they don't want to keep the contract.

This makes me sick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqgfQ7MpbY


- coffee junkie

(frank)ing course Steit is playing defense

hello all. still debating the weber situation? it definitely is tricky. personally, im glad he doesnt get the opportunity to bash crosby and malkin many times a year, but the dynamics involved in such a deal is interesting from an objective point of view to say the least. i dont know who wins the deal
- stayinthefnnet

I'd love to have Weber, but not at the cost of Coots and Schenn, or both Schenn brothers. If I made a deal, it'd be Coots, Read, Coburn, a mid-tier prospect (Cousins, Straka, etc) a 1st rounder (or 2), and a 2nd rounder. I think it's fair value-wise; we give up 3 roster players, some good future picks, and we don't have to decimate the youth core. And people need to remember that in 8 years we will probably be getting another CBO with the new CBA, so Weber's contract won't exactly be a noose we can't get out of.

I'd love to have Weber, but not at the cost of Coots and Schenn, or both Schenn brothers. If I made a deal, it'd be Coots, Read, Coburn, a mid-tier prospect (Cousins, Straka, etc) a 1st rounder (or 2), and a 2nd rounder. I think it's fair value-wise; we give up 3 roster players, some good future picks, and we don't have to decimate the youth core. And people need to remember that in 8 years we will probably be getting another CBO with the new CBA, so Weber's contract won't exactly be a noose we can't get out of.
- JAKEw1234

So, Couturier, a guy who will be a UFA in 12 months, a good second pair defenseman, a guy pegged as a 3rd line forward, and a couple picks for Weber?

I'd want more, personally. Like drop Read, add Voracek, drop Cousins add Laughton, and make it at least 2 1st rounders.

So, Couturier, a guy who will be a UFA in 12 months, a good second pair defenseman, a guy pegged as a 3rd line forward, and a couple picks for Weber?

I'd want more, personally. Like drop Read, add Voracek, drop Cousins add Laughton, and make it at least 2 1st rounders.
- Jsaquella

yeah, if i were nashville, i would definitely want something closer to the second offering. it would have to be colossal. fair or not. i just always have a hard time accepting trading a superstar player for a collection of lesser parts, especially when you consider what he means to the franchise. i would hold out for 2 of couturier, brayden schenn, and voracek.

(frank)ing course Steit is playing defense
- Winning

That's why I

yeah, if i were nashville, i would definitely want something closer to the second offering. it would have to be colossal. fair or not. i just always have a hard time accepting trading a superstar player for a collection of lesser parts, especially when you consider what he means to the franchise. i would hold out for 2 of couturier, brayden schenn, and voracek.
- stayinthefnnet

Exactly. I just finished paying this guy $27mm in the space of 12 months. I want a massive return

Dont know if it has been mentioned, but Bogosian has filed for arbitration.

Believe that makes him a UFA next season.

So, Couturier, a guy who will be a UFA in 12 months, a good second pair defenseman, a guy pegged as a 3rd line forward, and a couple picks for Weber?

I'd want more, personally. Like drop Read, add Voracek, drop Cousins add Laughton, and make it at least 2 1st rounders.
- Jsaquella

A bit flawed there my friend. Coots will be an RFA in 12 months, which is much different. And it's also not right to just write off coots as "a guy who will be a free agent in 12 months". He's a very valuable player. A future 1st line two-way player with lots of leadership upside. If he really discovers his offensive game, he'll be a better version of Mike Richards. He's the kind of guy who could grow up with Seth Jones, and be the #1 center they've been looking for for so long for 10 years or more. And dont underrate Read as a 3rd line forward. He's a young top 6, all situations two-way forward with good leadership upside that will be able to put up 20-25 goals a season. That's nothing to laugh at. and Coburn, while not the most offensively gifted guy, is a solid #3 shutdown dman with big size and again, with good leadership upside. You make the package sound so quaint, when it's actually quite a good group of players and picks.

EDIT: I'm not saying they will trade him to us for that package, I'm just sayin that the package you made it out to be sounds like it couldn't even get a team's 2nd line winger. It's definitely a sizeable package. But ya, they could hold out for a pretty unreasonable amount, and the money they've already dropped on him already does have an impact. Just don't underrate our players.

A bit flawed there my friend. Coots will be an RFA in 12 months, which is much different. And it's also not right to just write off coots as "a guy who will be a free agent in 12 months". He's a very valuable player. A future 1st line two-way player with lots of leadership upside. If he really discovers his offensive game, he'll be closer to Mike Richards. He's the kind of guy who could grow up with Seth Jones, and be the #1 center they've been looking for for so long for 10 years or more. And dont underrate Read as a 3rd line forward. He's a young top 6, all situations two-way forward with good leadership upside that will be able to put up 20-25 goals a season. That's nothing to laugh at. and Coburn, while not the most offensively gifted guy, is a solid #3 shutdown dman with big size and again, with good leadership upside. You make the package sound so quaint, when it's actually quite a good group of players and picks.
- JAKEw1234

eh i just look at it this way. if im moving weber, im largely blowing up the team. meaning a guy like coburn, and even to an extent read, really doesnt interest me. if i get two of the the three guys i mentioned, i can pair them with jones to form the start of a good young affordable nucleus that i can market the franchise around as well. they are decent pieces, but im typically just not a fan of exchanging a couple fives for a twenty, even if the value is technically the same.

eh i just look at it this way. if im moving weber, im largely blowing up the team. meaning a guy like coburn, and even to an extent read, really doesnt interest me. if i get two of the the three guys i mentioned, i can pair them with jones to form the start of a good young affordable nucleus that i can market the franchise around as well. they are decent pieces, but im typically just not a fan of exchanging a couple fives for a twenty, even if the value is technically the same.
- stayinthefnnet

With Jones in I would try to build a young nucleus with him in it, you're right. It's just unfortunate that Weber from this point will shift from an amazing defender trying to win some hardware, to a mentor/teacher that's there just to bring up Seth Jones to his full potential. Man deserves to win something, and if we can bring him here and not trade all of our top scorers to get him, then we're definite cup contenders. Also remember that Nashville already has Filip Forsberg, who's a future top line winger.

With Jones in I would try to build a young nucleus with him in it, you're right. It's just unfortunate that Weber from this point will shift from an amazing defender trying to win some hardware, to a mentor/teacher that's there just to bring up Seth Jones to his full potential. Man deserves to win something, and if we can bring him here and not trade all of our top scorers to get him, then we're definite cup contenders. Also remember that Nashville already has Filip Forsberg, who's a future top line winger.
- JAKEw1234

those facts are all well and good, but none have any bearing on the asking price for me if im nashville. would you accept less than market value for player x since the flyers already have laughton?

A bit flawed there my friend. Coots will be an RFA in 12 months, which is much different. And it's also not right to just write off coots as "a guy who will be a free agent in 12 months". He's a very valuable player. A future 1st line two-way player with lots of leadership upside. If he really discovers his offensive game, he'll be a better version of Mike Richards. He's the kind of guy who could grow up with Seth Jones, and be the #1 center they've been looking for for so long for 10 years or more. And dont underrate Read as a 3rd line forward. He's a young top 6, all situations two-way forward with good leadership upside that will be able to put up 20-25 goals a season. That's nothing to laugh at. and Coburn, while not the most offensively gifted guy, is a solid #3 shutdown dman with big size and again, with good leadership upside. You make the package sound so quaint, when it's actually quite a good group of players and picks.

EDIT: I'm not saying they will trade him to us for that package, I'm just sayin that the package you made it out to be sounds like it couldn't even get a team's 2nd line winger. It's definitely a sizeable package. But ya, they could hold out for a pretty unreasonable amount, and the money they've already dropped on him already does have an impact. Just don't underrate our players.
- JAKEw1234

i feel a do a pretty good job of not doing that, and i dont think im doing that here. its more of a fact that if im nashville, i have to overvalue weber, as opposed to undervaluing your guys

I think that we see Mesazaros traded for a bag of pucks, and then Gagne re-signed to a one year, $2mm deal.

Just a gut feeling.
- Jsaquella

Agreed, just no rush for one of the other 29 teams to accommodate the Flyers until they get a better idea of their own roster outlook.

those facts are all well and good, but none have any bearing on the asking price for me if im nashville. would you accept less than market value for player x since the flyers already have laughton?
- stayinthefnnet

No but the fact that we have Laughton does make Couturier more tradeable imo.

Posting bleacher report poop should be a bannable offense
- wilsonecho91

Agreed

i feel a do a pretty good job of not doing that, and i dont think im doing that here. its more of a fact that if im nashville, i have to overvalue weber, as opposed to undervaluing your guys
- stayinthefnnet

Not you, that was in response to Jsaq writing the package off as a guy who's a free agent in 12 months, a 3rd line forward, a 2nd pair dman, and some picks. It's just not close to enough justice for a package of Couturier, Read, Coburn, a mid-tier prospect, 2 1sts, and a 2nd.