Richard Cloutier: Penner, Jagr, Raymond, 2nd Line LW and MacT: Some Clarification
- Maxbone

Free agency facts:
The most physical forward left in free agency, in terms of hits: Jerred Smithson

The best FO guy left in free agency: Jerred Smithson

The guy who logs the most PK time left in free agency: Jerred Smithson

I say do it, people always talk about how it looks bad and you run the risk of your RFAs being offer sheeted. I have yet to see 1 retaliatory offer sheet from a team. If you can land AP why not try.
- fudd1689

That and if they can't afford their RFA's now, how do they offer sheet yak/RNH/Schultz in 1-2 years? I mean sure things can change, but we may get these guys locked up before hand just like Hall and Eberle.

I wouldn't get mad at us doing it.

Is Kelly Marchand cute?
- Maxbone

Dunno, she sounds like she's bulimic and goes to Degrassi high.

More tabloid-esque nonsense that isnt worth the effort to type.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I was kidding. No idea why, don't care.

Why not offer sheet chris Stuart. Pietrangelo is the blues priority, and assuming a 1st is part of the compensation they may not match as they're already close to the cap anyway

I guarantee Raymond is still an option. What's so special about Penner? Seriously. Let's forget about it right now. If free agency is apparently "over" for the Oilers, then good luck finding anyone to fill the 2nd line hole. Not saying that Raymond is your guy for the second line. He's obviously not. But PRV is. Teach him how to hit and the hole for a LW on the 2nd line is filled. Raymond would do great on a line with Gordon and Jones. Unlike PRV. I can't see him generating much success at all on that line.

I agree about the part that we have a slight overload of dmen. And everyone can admit it. I say we hold onto what we got on D and bring in Marincin and Klefbom if there's an injury. By next year if a couple of the D aren't resigned then those two will be more than ready to play.

As far as Hemsky goes, you won't acquire anything for him unless you sweeten the deal with another player. No, not PRV or Gagner. Because then you have to replace them too. No thanks. Maybe Hemsky, Lander and N. Schultz or Smid to whoever for that player that you need for the LW on the 2nd? Not an overpayment as far as I'm concerned. But the question is who's out there? I personally (even though hes a RW) would like to see Simmonds come here. But I doubt the flyers would do that trade. They'd have to be nuts.

In all reality, we have no idea who's out there. And if I hear Penner's name come up again I'm gonna lose it.

That and if they can't afford their RFA's now, how do they offer sheet yak/RNH/Schultz in 1-2 years? I mean sure things can change, but we may get these guys locked up before hand just like Hall and Eberle.

I wouldn't get mad at us doing it.
- ystoil

The Oilers would be pretty damn good if they got Pietrangelo.

Seriously? This getting annoying. This bold move crap...7 new players and a coaching change is pretty bold if you ask me.I think everyone misinterperated bolds for an 05-06 Pronger like trade. Blowing our loads for an Evander Kane, or Chris Stewart ot offer sheeting Pietrangelo...none of that is necessary.

Here's an idea, why don't we just overpay for the first big name to come along and make sure he's locked up for a good 5-7 years. That way, if the chemistry isn't right and we have no cap space we'll be good and screwed. Then next year or the year after when the right player is available by free agency we can all sit around and female dog because we blew all our cap space.

Relax people. There are sensible,short term,low cost options to fill in the LW and 3RW spots. We still have an option in Hemsky , as a roster player or a trade piece.

Do I expect this team to make the playoff's? No. Are we better? Hells yes!
- Jeropotato

good post.

2 things though;

u get pietr, u got your anchor on defence for years. that piece is gold. it's almost impossible to not "fit".
missing the playoffs next year should be unacceptable.

no
- hugefemale dog77

This is an issue I have with you Richard. I don't believe you are being consistent in your analysis of MacTavish. He says he wants to make bold moves, you believe that, but you are unwilling to believe he would set aside a grudge he had five years ago to make his hockey team better. Yes, he could find a way to wrestle Chris Stewart out of St. Louis. Would it cost us too much? Probably. If it costs us a first round pick, it's too much. Chris Stewart is a good player, he would be great for us, but he is not good enough to make the price worth it if Penner is still on the table. He also plays the wrong side.

Seriously? This getting annoying. This bold move crap...7 new players and a coaching change is pretty bold if you ask me.I think everyone misinterperated bolds for an 05-06 Pronger like trade. Blowing our loads for an Evander Kane, or Chris Stewart ot offer sheeting Pietrangelo...none of that is necessary.

Here's an idea, why don't we just overpay for the first big name to come along and make sure he's locked up for a good 5-7 years. That way, if the chemistry isn't right and we have no cap space we'll be good and screwed. Then next year or the year after when the right player is available by free agency we can all sit around and female dog because we blew all our cap space.

Relax people. There are sensible,short term,low cost options to fill in the LW and 3RW spots. We still have an option in Hemsky , as a roster player or a trade piece.

Do I expect this team to make the playoff's? No. Are we better? Hells yes!
- Jeropotato

holy a-men

Why not offer sheet chris Stuart. Pietrangelo is the blues priority, and assuming a 1st is part of the compensation they may not match as they're already close to the cap anyway
- RedC21

Now I'll elaborate.

There is no way in hell they dont match.

No

Free agency facts:
The most physical forward left in free agency, in terms of hits: Jerred Smithson

The best FO guy left in free agency: Jerred Smithson

The guy who logs the most PK time left in free agency: Jerred Smithson


- Morris

Geez we should try and get him.

good post.

2 things though.
u get pietr, u got your anchor on defence for years. that piece is gold. it's almost impossible to not "fit".
missing the playoffs next year should be unacceptable.
- hugefemale dog77

Pietrangelo is amazing, and would no doubt solve our issues at D for damn near ever. But really? As if St.Lou isnt going to match.
So let me ask you this. Is just making the playoff's next year more important than actually contending for the cup in 3?

I guarantee Raymond is still an option. What's so special about Penner? Seriously. Let's forget about it right now. If free agency is apparently "over" for the Oilers, then good luck finding anyone to fill the 2nd line hole. Not saying that Raymond is your guy for the second line. He's obviously not. But PRV is. Teach him how to hit and the hole for a LW on the 2nd line is filled. Raymond would do great on a line with Gordon and Jones. Unlike PRV. I can't see him generating much success at all on that line.

I agree about the part that we have a slight overload of dmen. And everyone can admit it. I say we hold onto what we got on D and bring in Marincin and Klefbom if there's an injury. By next year if a couple of the D aren't resigned then those two will be more than ready to play.

As far as Hemsky goes, you won't acquire anything for him unless you sweeten the deal with another player. No, not PRV or Gagner. Because then you have to replace them too. No thanks. Maybe Hemsky, Lander and N. Schultz or Smid to whoever for that player that you need for the LW on the 2nd? Not an overpayment as far as I'm concerned. But the question is who's out there? I personally (even though hes a RW) would like to see Simmonds come here. But I doubt the flyers would do that trade. They'd have to be nuts.

In all reality, we have no idea who's out there. And if I hear Penner's name come up again I'm gonna lose it.
- mbxiphos1527

Raymond is NOT a quality top 6'er. he can actually be a decent support guy on the 3rd at his best. but I think mact is looking towards someone a little more rugged. just not sure Raymond is what we want.

I think Eakins will have prv on the 3rd to start and someone else will come in to fill 2LW

Seriously? This getting annoying. This bold move crap...7 new players and a coaching change is pretty bold if you ask me.I think everyone misinterperated bolds for an 05-06 Pronger like trade. Blowing our loads for an Evander Kane, or Chris Stewart ot offer sheeting Pietrangelo...none of that is necessary.

Here's an idea, why don't we just overpay for the first big name to come along and make sure he's locked up for a good 5-7 years. That way, if the chemistry isn't right and we have no cap space we'll be good and screwed. Then next year or the year after when the right player is available by free agency we can all sit around and female dog because we blew all our cap space.

Relax people. There are sensible,short term,low cost options to fill in the LW and 3RW spots. We still have an option in Hemsky , as a roster player or a trade piece.

Do I expect this team to make the playoff's? No. Are we better? Hells yes!
- Jeropotato

Exactly!

I SAID DISCUSS NOT JUST ANSWER. (frank).
- ystoil

Wasn't there a retaliatory offer sheet between st.Louis and Vancouver? The backes thing or something?

Pietrangelo is amazing, and would no doubt solve our issues at D for damn near ever. But really? As if St.Lou isnt going to match.
So let me ask you this. Is just making the playoff's next year more important than actually contending for the cup in 3?
- Jeropotato

for sure they prob match. so at that point, uve just made their cap situation a little tougher. win/win

why does offer sheeting pietrangelo make us go from building towards something big long term, to 1 year playoff wonder?

Wasn't there a retaliatory offer sheet between st.Louis and Vancouver? The backes thing or something?
- Oilfan19

who did st.loo offer sheet?

who did st.loo offer sheet?
- hugefemale dog77

Steve Bernier? I think

Raymond is NOT a quality top 6'er. he can actually be a decent support guy on the 3rd at his best. but I think mact is looking towards someone a little more rugged. just not sure Raymond is what we want.

I think Eakins will have prv on the 3rd to start and someone else will come in to fill 2LW
- hugefemale dog77

I know he's a not a top 6 guy. He'd be perfect on our 3rd though. I just don't think PRV will do much playing with Jones and Gordon. They're just the right guys to put up the points. Don't get me wrong, I think they're great. But they're just really different from PRV.

And I'm really looking forward as to who this LW is gonna be haha. I can't see us getting one without trading key aspects, like Gags or PRV, because like I said, Hemsky isnt getting you anything.

Steve Bernier? I think
- Oilfan19

yep. just checked. I didn't know this.

a week after the nucks did it to them too. funny.

no question in edm's position ud have to have that in the back of your mind if you're gonna do it.

still not sure it should stop you though if you feel it can help your team.

yep. just checked. I didn't know this.

a week after the nucks did it to them too. funny.

no question in edm's position ud have to have that in the back of your mind if you're gonna do it.

still not sure it should stop you though if you feel it can help your team.
- hugefemale dog77

Joe Sakic once signed an offer sheet with the Rangers..

for sure they prob match. so at that point, uve just made their cap situation a little tougher. win/win

why does offer sheeting pietrangelo make us go from building towards something big long term, to 1 year playoff wonder?
- hugefemale dog77

Okay so they match and their cap situation is tougher...how exactly does that benefit us? So now they need to move Stewart (not that I want that over-rated POS) , do you really think Mac T is the first guy they call?
I know it's within the rules, but it's still dirty pool.

for sure they prob match. so at that point, uve just made their cap situation a little tougher. win/win

why does offer sheeting pietrangelo make us go from building towards something big long term, to 1 year playoff wonder?
- hugefemale dog77

Eviscerates both drafting and salary cap room for the next several years. Petro is very good but probs still doesnt make us a Cup contender, makes several super talented youngsters unaffordable in tbe future and if offer sheeting Penner made Burke hostile, imagine what stealing Pietrangelo would do? Plus, offer sheeting him doesnt mean he'll necessarily sign. Its a risky and pointless move from every angle and its only being brough up because hes a sexy name.

No