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Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 9 @ 12:02 PM ET
Ughhhh, yes the (frank) he is
- mochoson

Yeah absolutely. A 7.5 offer sheet gets matched by St Louis.

I honestly think it'd have to be about 9 million over considerable term to get them to part ways with him.

Tough to say that's a good move for the oilers.
Heavyd17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Sylvan Lake, AB
Joined: 07.07.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:12 PM ET
Ughhhh, yes the (frank) he is
- mochoson



nope
One_Eyed_Sweede
Boston Bruins
Location: Angry One Eyed Swede, MA
Joined: 07.01.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:13 PM ET
I Looked.......You Need Two Better Goalies
- Byfuglien Ate Me


Says the Leafs fan. Are you guys still celebrating the knife in Reimer's back? What a joke...
Heavyd17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Sylvan Lake, AB
Joined: 07.07.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:14 PM ET
Horcoff is an above average 3rd line center. In a fresh environment, he'll still be overpaid but if you've got the room why not add him?
- Morris



Cause you could use the cap room to bring in someone that can actually score a goal.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 9 @ 12:16 PM ET
nope
- Heavyd17




7.25 then


NoobasaurusRex
Dallas Stars
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.18.2011

Jul 9 @ 12:23 PM ET
Cause you could use the cap room to bring in someone that can actually score a goal.
- Heavyd17


I don't think goal scoring will be our problem. Wish we had an upgrade on D this year
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 9 @ 12:26 PM ET
I don't think goal scoring will be our problem. Wish we had an upgrade on D this year
- NoobasaurusRex


The play usually dies on Horcoff's stick (Horcoff Hands)
Heavyd17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Sylvan Lake, AB
Joined: 07.07.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:27 PM ET
7.25 then
- robin_steele264


Nope

$6 max

Teams that learn to keep the contracts under control are the team that will compete for the cup every year, like the wings. The Wings are the model team, they don't have crazy $8-$9 million a year cap hits on there team. You don't want to be like the Flyers buying players out every other year, cause they hand out bat poop eating crazy contracts.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 9 @ 12:28 PM ET
Cause you could use the cap room to bring in someone that can actually score a goal.
- Heavyd17

Dallas, who's absolutely the closest they've been to the cap in YEARS is worried about cap room?

They got a guy who will be part of one of the better centre groups in the league, and he's probably a little under 2.5 overpaid given the fact that Boyd Gordon just got 3 million. Unless you're Tom Gaglardi, I don't see why it matters that much what his cap hit is.

And in case you weren't paying attention, they did use their cap room to bring in someone who can score goals. They just also used some other cap room to bring in a guy who can prevent them.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 9 @ 12:29 PM ET
The play usually dies on Horcoff's stick (Horcoff Hands)
- Reveen

He's got bad hands but good skating and positioning. So long as they always use him as a decoy, I think they'll be okay.
TomKlassen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:32 PM ET
No no no we should be looking for the NEXT Pietrangelo not the current Pietrangelo.

As for the 2LW, what about Hemsky -half his salary and Nick Schultz for Oshie?
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 9 @ 12:33 PM ET
No no no we should be looking for the NEXT Pietrangelo not the current Pietrangelo.

As for the 2LW, what about Hemsky -half his salary and Nick Schultz for Oshie?

- TomKlassen

Agreed. We should be looking for the next Lucic while we're at it.
NoobasaurusRex
Dallas Stars
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.18.2011

Jul 9 @ 12:35 PM ET
The play usually dies on Horcoff's stick (Horcoff Hands)
- Reveen


I highly doubt he's out there with anyone to ruin. We already have 3cs better than him. I'm sure he will replace fiddler on 4th line, him Rousell and Garbutt can go plug central when they hit the ice
TomKlassen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:36 PM ET
Scratch my trade proposal, apparently Oshie is a right winger.
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jul 9 @ 12:36 PM ET
I would stop watching the Oilers if they pull a stupid move this this. Not worth Pietrangelo is not worth $7.5
- Heavyd17

You're not much of a fan if that's all it would take to get you to not watch them anymore. I hope they offer sheet the (frank) out of him.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 9 @ 12:40 PM ET
You're not much of a fan if that's all it would take to get you to not watch them anymore. I hope they offer sheet the (frank) out of him.
- Ihatebrianburke


Now now, take it easy on the newbie.
Heavyd17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Sylvan Lake, AB
Joined: 07.07.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:42 PM ET
Dallas, who's absolutely the closest they've been to the cap in YEARS is worried about cap room?

They got a guy who will be part of one of the better centre groups in the league, and he's probably a little under 2.5 overpaid given the fact that Boyd Gordon just got 3 million. Unless you're Tom Gaglardi, I don't see why it matters that much what his cap hit is.

And in case you weren't paying attention, they did use their cap room to bring in someone who can score goals. They just also used some other cap room to bring in a guy who can prevent them.

- Morris


Lou for segiun is a wash, so don't tell me they got more scoring. They just got a young version and some better quality bottom 6 guys
TomKlassen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:43 PM ET
Okay so when was the last time an offer sheet worked out? Penner was the only time an offer sheet wasn't matched, how well did that work out? Any offer sheet that the Blues wouldn't match would be a massive overpayment.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 9 @ 12:43 PM ET
He's got bad hands but good skating and positioning. So long as they always use him as a decoy, I think they'll be okay.
- Morris


The problem with that is most teams have figured out he has no finish.
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jul 9 @ 12:43 PM ET
No no no we should be looking for the NEXT Pietrangelo not the current Pietrangelo.

As for the 2LW, what about Hemsky -half his salary and Nick Schultz for Oshie?

- TomKlassen

They're looking to shed salary and Hemsky at 2.5 and N.Shultz still gains them cap hit in that deal
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 12:44 PM ET
I highly doubt he's out there with anyone to ruin. We already have 3cs better than him. I'm sure he will replace fiddler on 4th line, him Rousell and Garbutt can go plug central when they hit the ice
- NoobasaurusRex


Severely doubt we put Horcoff on the 4th line.

Whitney-Benn-Nichuskin
Peverley-Seguin-Cole
Eakins-Horcoff-Chiasson
Roussel-Fiddler-Garbutt/Macdermid
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 9 @ 12:46 PM ET
Nope

$6 max

Teams that learn to keep the contracts under control are the team that will compete for the cup every year, like the wings. The Wings are the model team, they don't have crazy $8-$9 million a year cap hits on there team. You don't want to be like the Flyers buying players out every other year, cause they hand out bat poop eating crazy contracts.

- Heavyd17




So no one is worth more than 6?

mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 12:47 PM ET
Lou for segiun is a wash, so don't tell me they got more scoring. They just got a young version and some better quality bottom 6 guys
- Heavyd17


You do get more scoring. Your replacing a winger with a center. Now we have two legit lines that are scoring threats and a 3rd line that's gonna produce some secondary offense. It's definitely more overall scoring.

Your also forgetting Peverly, who will likely out-score both Reilly Smith and Matt Fraser (depending on where they play) regardless if they're on the Bruins or still on the Stars.

And we also drafted Nichuskin, more time for Chiasson. We definitely have way more scoring now.
Heavyd17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Sylvan Lake, AB
Joined: 07.07.2013

Jul 9 @ 12:47 PM ET
You're not much of a fan if that's all it would take to get you to not watch them anymore. I hope they offer sheet the (frank) out of him.
- Ihatebrianburke



they would be better for a year then the team would be ripped apart in front of your eyes, the Nuge and Yaks and J Shultz will need contracts in a couple years. can't afford them all with $7 or $8 million offers to fill a hole. Typically arm chair GM.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 12:49 PM ET
Nope

$6 max

Teams that learn to keep the contracts under control are the team that will compete for the cup every year, like the wings. The Wings are the model team, they don't have crazy $8-$9 million a year cap hits on there team. You don't want to be like the Flyers buying players out every other year, cause they hand out bat poop eating crazy contracts.

- Heavyd17


Your out to lunch.

Pietrangelo is a player that 29 teams never even get to sniff. Your saying it like every team has a player of that caliber and over-pays them, which is why teams are having trouble operating under the cap.

He is a guy you throw the bank at and call it a day. You should google Nicklas Lidstroms life time earnings as a hockey player and than divide it by the number of years he played. Ill be thoroughly surprised if it's less than 7 million.
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