Richard Cloutier: Penner, Jagr, Raymond, 2nd Line LW and MacT: Some Clarification
- Maxbone

You wouldn't have to write a clarification blog if you didn't constantly pass off your misguided and ridiculous opinions as fact.

Joe Sakic once signed an offer sheet with the Rangers..
- Oilfan19

Fedorov signed one with Carolina too, back in the day.

I know he's a not a top 6 guy. He'd be perfect on our 3rd though. I just don't think PRV will do much playing with Jones and Gordon. They're just the right guys to put up the points. Don't get me wrong, I think they're great. But they're just really different from PRV.

And I'm really looking forward as to who this LW is gonna be haha. I can't see us getting one without trading key aspects, like Gags or PRV, because like I said, Hemsky isnt getting you anything.
- mbxiphos1527

imo, prv has the size and skating to possibly be in that position (2lw) long term, just not sure hes rugged enough to fill the role we might be looking for right now.
he can float, but I think he could also be effective on that 3rd line and make his defensive game stronger.

I actually think its the 1lw that's the spot we're trying to fill (which doesn't really change much-) as the nuge and ebs could use a big, crasher type to compliment their skill set.

Raymond at his best is a decent player and can wheel, but he's not really 'tough to play against' if you follow what I mean

Here's what I think is going to happen. There are a number of teams in serious cap trouble.

Just look at Philly. Already over the cap though that'll go down with Pronger's continued injury status ($5 million in cap space). But that will still leave them with about $4 million and they still don't have a starter in goal.

Boston is another team right up there and they still have Rask to re-sign. Yes they're $5 million left but what kind of contract is Rask asking for? Someone in the previous blog was saying over $7 million per year. Ouch

St. Louis while not up against the cap, I seem to recall reading that they have an internal cap number. Alex Pietrangelo just seems ripe for an offer sheet. Not saying we should do one but the threat of one could be enough to get us an favourable terms in a trade.

Any of these teams that crammed up against the cap are only going to get more desperate as the summer goes on. They'll be forced to do the cheap trade to get cap space. And we still have space and can spend to the cap.
- cdninatl

Philly needs to get under the cap before the start of the season. They can only LTIR Pronger after the season starts. They also chose their goalie tandem when they signed Emery.

Remember that you can only send out 1 offer sheet at a time. If you send an offer sheet to AP, I bet another team then gets an offer sheet to CS.

That and if they can't afford their RFA's now, how do they offer sheet yak/RNH/Schultz in 1-2 years? I mean sure things can change, but we may get these guys locked up before hand just like Hall and Eberle.

I wouldn't get mad at us doing it.
- ystoil

They have a number of contracts ending in the next couple of years.

Eviscerates both drafting and salary cap room for the next several years. Petro is very good but probs still doesnt make us a Cup contender, makes several super talented youngsters unaffordable in tbe future and if offer sheeting Penner made Burke hostile, imagine what stealing Pietrangelo would do? Plus, offer sheeting him doesnt mean he'll necessarily sign. Its a risky and pointless move from every angle and its only being brough up because hes a sexy name.

No
- TheTaoOfSemenko

We have enough sexy names on this team as it is. Lets get some fugly mother (frank)ers to do some heavy lifting.

That and if they can't afford their RFA's now, how do they offer sheet yak/RNH/Schultz in 1-2 years? I mean sure things can change, but we may get these guys locked up before hand just like Hall and Eberle.

I wouldn't get mad at us doing it.
- ystoil

Not worth 4 1st round picks, and you just know 1 or 2 of those picks has a good chance at being a lotto pick because we are still not quite a playoff team.

for sure they prob match. so at that point, uve just made their cap situation a little tougher. win/win

why does offer sheeting pietrangelo make us go from building towards something big long term, to 1 year playoff wonder?
- hugefemale dog77

It doesn't. But it probably sends us into fast-track/scramble to re-sign/decide who to trade NOW mode.

Can't really take it slow once you devote 7.5+ million and four 1sts to a player, while having two first overall picks and Schultz expiring in the next two years. For better or worse it'd be drop everything and make all the hard decisions.

Mac T has made his Bold move.

When he traded Horcoff to Dallas, he didn't ask for Toby Peterson coming back.

Eviscerates both drafting and salary cap room for the next several years. Petro is very good but probs still doesnt make us a Cup contender, makes several super talented youngsters unaffordable in tbe future and if offer sheeting Penner made Burke hostile, imagine what stealing Pietrangelo would do? Plus, offer sheeting him doesnt mean he'll necessarily sign. Its a risky and pointless move from every angle and its only being brough up because hes a sexy name.

No
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Didn't Burke only get pissey because Lowe didn't warn him? Thought I remember Burke saying that.

Why is the offer sheet in the CBA then if General Managers don't like it? Don't they have a say in drawing it up? Why put it in if all GM's (save Holmgren and Lowe) aren't a fan? I think if you are confident in your ability to sign RNH, Yak, Schultz then it's a tool to consider.

We want a 1D man, correct? What are our options:
-trade? We have to send a core piece back, which may or may not be ideal if we are trying to build a solid contender

-Sign a UFA? None available

- Draft? Very difficult and we will have to wait a few more years on Nurse and Klefbom to see what we have, and that is a slim chance. We know what AP is.

- Offer Sheet a team with cap issues? Plausible and risky

I'm mainly playing devils advocate to get a discussion going, I honestly don't think it's that bad of an idea either. Shouldn't be in the CBA if GM's are going to female dog about it IMO.

Apologies for the essay

imo, prv has the size and skating to possibly be in that position (2lw) long term, just not sure hes rugged enough to fill the role we might be looking for right now.
he can float, but I think he could also be effective on that 3rd line and make his defensive game stronger.

I actually think its the 1lw that's the spot we're trying to fill (which doesn't really change much-) as the nuge and ebs could use a big, crasher type to compliment their skill set.
- hugefemale dog77

Well if anything PRV should be that guy on the 2nd line. I agree he's not tough enough... Yet. I think Eakins will do a good job teaching him to be tougher.

The player were looking for isn't easy to acquire. Especially if it's the LW on the 1st line we're looking for. It's gonna cost ALOT. I think we should just package Hemsky, Lander, N.Schultz/Smid, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder to a couple teams and see what it can get us. I don't see any harm in that.

Nothing would be wrong with these lines.
Hall - RNH - Eberle
PRV - Gagner - Yakupov
Joensuu/Raymond - Gordon - Jones
Hamilton/Smyth - Acton? - Brown

Let's just not worry about the 4th line right now though haha.

i sorta have no tangible response to the multiple posts that disagreed.

this is a new feeling and i don't like it.....

Eviscerates both drafting and salary cap room for the next several years. Petro is very good but probs still doesnt make us a Cup contender, makes several super talented youngsters unaffordable in tbe future and if offer sheeting Penner made Burke hostile, imagine what stealing Pietrangelo would do? Plus, offer sheeting him doesnt mean he'll necessarily sign. Its a risky and pointless move from every angle and its only being brough up because hes a sexy name.

No
- TheTaoOfSemenko

But that's exactly what an offer sheet is. It's a contract with a RFA player from another team. Both sides have to sign it. Once it's filed with the league by the new team, it is the new contract for him. The only question is does the team holding his rights match the offer or take compensation.

Didn't Burke only get pissey because Lowe didn't warn him? Thought I remember Burke saying that.

Why is the offer sheet in the CBA then if General Managers don't like it? Don't they have a say in drawing it up? Why put it in if all GM's (save Holmgren and Lowe) aren't a fan? I think if you are confident in your ability to sign RNH, Yak, Schultz then it's a tool to consider.

We want a 1D man, correct? What are our options:
-trade? We have to send a core piece back, which may or may not be ideal if we are trying to build a solid contender

-Sign a UFA? None available

- Draft? Very difficult and we will have to wait a few more years on Nurse and Klefbom to see what we have, and that is a slim chance. We know what AP is.

- Offer Sheet a team with cap issues? Plausible and risky

I'm mainly playing devils advocate to get a discussion going, I honestly don't think it's that bad of an idea either. Shouldn't be in the CBA if GM's are going to female dog about it IMO.

Apologies for the essay
- ystoil

The GMs arent the ones who want it in there. Fairly certain thats the PAs.

Not much discussion. I think it would be a bad idea and wouldnt gain the Oilers a thing. Pretty much it.

Didn't Burke only get pissey because Lowe didn't warn him? Thought I remember Burke saying that.

Why is the offer sheet in the CBA then if General Managers don't like it? Don't they have a say in drawing it up? Why put it in if all GM's (save Holmgren and Lowe) aren't a fan? I think if you are confident in your ability to sign RNH, Yak, Schultz then it's a tool to consider.

We want a 1D man, correct? What are our options:
-trade? We have to send a core piece back, which may or may not be ideal if we are trying to build a solid contender

-Sign a UFA? None available

- Draft? Very difficult and we will have to wait a few more years on Nurse and Klefbom to see what we have, and that is a slim chance. We know what AP is.

- Offer Sheet a team with cap issues? Plausible and risky

I'm mainly playing devils advocate to get a discussion going, I honestly don't think it's that bad of an idea either. Shouldn't be in the CBA if GM's are going to female dog about it IMO.

Apologies for the essay
- ystoil

The offer sheet is in there so that RFA's have some leverage.In the good ol days. when nobody hardly used the tactic, and you had no arbitrary rights, you held out until you ran out of milk in the fridge and you swallowed your pride and you signed.
The NHLPA wants in there for obvious reasons.

Well if anything PRV should be that guy on the 2nd line. I agree he's not tough enough... Yet. I think Eakins will do a good job teaching him to be tougher.

The player were looking for isn't easy to acquire. Especially if it's the LW on the 1st line we're looking for. It's gonna cost ALOT. I think we should just package Hemsky, Lander, N.Schultz/Smid, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder to a couple teams and see what it can get us. I don't see any harm in that.

Nothing would be wrong with these lines.
Hall - RNH - Eberle
PRV - Gagner - Yakupov
Joensuu/Raymond - Gordon - Jones
Hamilton/Smyth - Acton? - Brown

Let's just not worry about the 4th line right now though haha.
- mbxiphos1527

that's a pretty weak 3rd line bro. i dunno.

bottom 6 is one of the things mact wanted to address. im not sure that's any better at all than previously.

why rush prv into a spot that hes not ready for and doesn't fit exactly how we want? (by your own admission)

im not even talking about a chris stewart type value per se. think we can bargain budget that spot and have him still be effective

Richard Cloutier: Penner, Jagr, Raymond, 2nd Line LW and MacT: Some Clarification
- Maxbone

Blog hits son
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqOf-KjdVY

i sorta have no tangible response to the multiple posts that disagreed.

this is a new feeling and i don't like it.....
- hugefemale dog77

The bitter taste of defeat often causes numbness to the soul...you'll bounce back, better than ever!

But that's exactly what an offer sheet is. It's a contract with a RFA player from another team. Both sides have to sign it. Once it's filed with the league by the new team, it is the new contract for him. The only question is does the team holding his rights match the offer or take compensation.
- cdninatl

The player has to sign it. Its an offer yes, but theyre under zero obligation to sign it.

bold moves:

- offer sheet pietrangelo to a $7.5 million per year deal
- if they match, offer sheet stewart

discuss.
- ystoil

What goes around comes around. Imagine what st louis would do to us when eberle, hall, and nuge become rfa's

Well if anything PRV should be that guy on the 2nd line. I agree he's not tough enough... Yet. I think Eakins will do a good job teaching him to be tougher.

The player were looking for isn't easy to acquire. Especially if it's the LW on the 1st line we're looking for. It's gonna cost ALOT. I think we should just package Hemsky, Lander, N.Schultz/Smid, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder to a couple teams and see what it can get us. I don't see any harm in that.

Nothing would be wrong with these lines.
Hall - RNH - Eberle
PRV - Gagner - Yakupov
Joensuu/Raymond - Gordon - Jones
Hamilton/Smyth - Acton? - Brown

Let's just not worry about the 4th line right now though haha.
- mbxiphos1527

Man, no more Raymond talk...I'm getting the dry heaves.

What goes around comes around. Imagine what st louis would do to us when eberle, hall, and nuge become rfa's
- BleedOil06

Hall and Ebs will never be RFA's.

What goes around comes around. Imagine what st louis would do to us when eberle, hall, and nuge become rfa's
- BleedOil06

Eberle and Hall will never be RFA ever again

The player has to sign it. Its an offer yes, but theyre under zero obligation to sign it.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Then there is no offer sheet. It's quite simple. It's still a contract but you don't offer sheet a player without him agreeing to it. If Pietrangelo doesn't want to sign with us, then there is no threat of an offer sheet.

quick, someone say something stupid so i can make fun of you and thus feel better about myself