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TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:31 PM ET
i'd wait to see what philly does... holmgren is always up to something big and i can see an offer sheet by him on pietriangelo.
- deks1


maybe if PHI didn't have -1M cap space
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 8 @ 4:31 PM ET
It was no slight on Eberle, I think he is a great player. Was looking at it more from the perspective the Bruins would be losing depth, which they pride themselves on.
- fudd1689

What could Kelly cost? That's the guy I'm more interested in.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:31 PM ET
You don't need a 3rd line winger. MacT signed R Hamilton at D Eakins request. You guys will love him, thought he'd be the favorite to replace M Frattin on our 3rd line. You guys will love him
- Canhockeyfan


but will we...love him?
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:32 PM ET
What could Kelly cost? That's the guy I'm more interested in.
- Morris


comin off a sh*t year. If he's on the market I wouldn't be surprised if he went for around what Frolik went for
HouseArrest187
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ITS ON LIKE DONKEYKONG.... You know.... If he was sitting on a porch..., SK
Joined: 08.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:34 PM ET
but will we...love him?
- TheNugeIsHuge


Just gonna put the same thing.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 8 @ 4:34 PM ET
from where?
- deks1

Boston
One_Eyed_Sweede
Boston Bruins
Location: Angry One Eyed Swede, MA
Joined: 07.01.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:35 PM ET
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 8 @ 4:35 PM ET
Hjalmarsson was the #3D man on the cup winning team. Good future partner for j Schultz too.
- TheNugeIsHuge

He is a good D man but I think not enough of a return for Gagner.
fudd1689
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 09.27.2010

Jul 8 @ 4:36 PM ET
What could Kelly cost? That's the guy I'm more interested in.
- Morris


I wouldn't mind getting rid of Kelly, but the Bruins depth and PK would take a pretty substantial hit. PVR and a 2nd. Would have to make it worth while for Chiarelli to part with depth.

And no I don't think that's a fair swap, but it would take something like that IMO. MacT would say no
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 8 @ 4:36 PM ET
comin off a sh*t year. If he's on the market I wouldn't be surprised if he went for around what Frolik went for
- TheNugeIsHuge

I would pay a 3rd and a 4th for Kelly. Maybe since we already spent our 4th this year on Brown we could go 3rd and Cornet or something
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:36 PM ET
I don't think I do that deal. You're giving up 2 roster players and a potential 3rd roster player this season for 1. Kelly had a rough year, but they don't have anyone lined up to take his defensive role at center.
- fudd1689


I don't like it from a continuity/core stand point, but if Marchand's going, that's what I'd look for.

Re: 3rd line you've got a combination of Soderberg/Spooner/Smith/Fraser, that's a lot of turnover and could turn out to be costly, but do it maybe in the name of cap space. Although Eberle for March/Kelly only frees up $1.5M and you need to add another body so probably winds up a wash.

Ultimately I think KPD is just making sh!t up, quite honestly.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 8 @ 4:37 PM ET
I wouldn't mind getting rid of Kelly, but the Bruins depth and PK would take a pretty substantial hit. PVR and a 2nd. Would have to make it worth while for Chiarelli to part with depth.
- fudd1689

Oh, then no chance. Kelly's a good player on a good contract, but that's just a non-starter for Edmonton.
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:37 PM ET
What could Kelly cost? That's the guy I'm more interested in.
- Morris


I'd suspect not a whole lot. B's would welcome the freeing up of cap space.
fudd1689
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 09.27.2010

Jul 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
Oh, then no chance. Kelly's a good player on a good contract, but that's just a non-starter for Edmonton.
- Morris


Yeah I knew it would be. Why it's tough to gauge a guy like Kelly, cause he can be an important part of a team, but the team has to have depth in order for him to be effective.
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
Oh, then no chance. Kelly's a good player on a good contract, but that's just a non-starter for Edmonton.
- Morris

agree way to much.
bluenatic411
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 01.14.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
wow. STL only has 7.9M in cap? (frank) Stewart n Pietrangelo. Deal picks n prospects for oshie. Move Gags to RW. Shift Yak to LW

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Yak-Oshie-Gags
Penner-Gordon-MPS
Zippity-Zoo-Jones

That's solid

- TheNugeIsHuge

No way picks + prospects gets you Oshie if Hitch has anything to say about it. Maybe (just maybe) if you were talking Oshie + Stewart for Hall or for Eberle + prospect + pick you might get somewhere. And you'd want to leave Osh on the wing (RW or LW) rather than move him to C. Dude is money in the corners and poor on the dot.
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
He is a good D man but I think not enough of a return for Gagner.
- AlEx_OiL


Gagner seems like a guy that would just piss me off as a Hawks' fan, especially if we gave up Hammer for him. No thank you
fudd1689
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 09.27.2010

Jul 8 @ 4:39 PM ET
I don't like it from a continuity/core stand point, but if Marchand's going, that's what I'd look for.

Re: 3rd line you've got a combination of Soderberg/Spooner/Smith/Fraser, that's a lot of turnover and could turn out to be costly, but do it maybe in the name of cap space. Although Eberle for March/Kelly only frees up $1.5M and you need to add another body so probably winds up a wash.

Ultimately I think KPD is just making sh!t up, quite honestly.

- Double_A


Definitely agree there. He's brutal.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:39 PM ET
Staal for Hemsky (oil retains half salary), PRV and a 2nd?

Hemsky helps fill the gap this year, and you get first crack at extending him if he works out, you could pretty easily sign PRV for $2mil for a few years and a 2nd rounder (probably #38-48) for 2 years of Marc Staal who then goes UFA. The cap hit is almost even (Hemsky is 2.5, PRV signs for 2(or less) ~ Staal's 4 mil).

NYR give up the better player, but get 2 NHL forwards and a pick.

- BigDre


deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:39 PM ET
I wouldn't mind getting rid of Kelly, but the Bruins depth and PK would take a pretty substantial hit. PVR and a 2nd. Would have to make it worth while for Chiarelli to part with depth.

And no I don't think that's a fair swap, but it would take something like that IMO. MacT would say no

- fudd1689


i hope he say no too.
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 8 @ 4:39 PM ET
Gagner seems like a guy that would just piss me off as a Hawks' fan, especially if we gave up Hammer for him. No thank you
- BlazinMike

so no trade then and we both happy
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
Yeah I knew it would be. Why it's tough to gauge a guy like Kelly, cause he can be an important part of a team, but the team has to have depth in order for him to be effective.
- fudd1689

He'd be an incredible part of our depth. Kelly and Gordon as bottom 6 centres would be great, or even having him on the wing would be excellent.

Edmonton probably just needs to be vultures for the teams that are in cap trouble.

Frankly I'm surprised Chiarelli would even consider tinkering. As someone pointed out, Lucic, Krejci, Iginla, Bergeron, Marchand and Eriksson might be the best top 6 in the league now.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
No way picks + prospects gets you Oshie if Hitch has anything to say about it. Maybe (just maybe) if you were talking Oshie + Stewart for Hall or for Eberle + prospect + pick you might get somewhere. And you'd want to leave Osh on the wing (RW or LW) rather than move him to C. Dude is money in the corners and poor on the dot.
- bluenatic411



keep oshie, just price for stewart please. also you are right about oshie on the wing, putting him in the centre position is absurd.
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:44 PM ET
so no trade then and we both happy
- AlEx_OiL


Exactly haha, then again it does seem like Gagner gets 4 points a game when he plays the Hawks' so it might be something to consider if for nothing else than to weaken the Oiler's offensive onslaught that comes when they play the Blackhawks during the regular season
fudd1689
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 09.27.2010

Jul 8 @ 4:45 PM ET
He'd be an incredible part of our depth. Kelly and Gordon as bottom 6 centres would be great, or even having him on the wing would be excellent.

Edmonton probably just needs to be vultures for the teams that are in cap trouble.

Frankly I'm surprised Chiarelli would even consider tinkering. As someone pointed out, Lucic, Krejci, Iginla, Bergeron, Marchand and Eriksson might be the best top 6 in the league now.

- Morris


Very well could be the Bruins tomorrow if the rumored 8yr $60M contract is about to be signed by Tuukka Rask.
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