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JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 3:30 PM ET
Couts and Simmonds for Bogo, I even then I wouldn't want to do it. But you'll need to move at least two guys for the cap space for Bogo.
- JETSWIN

Coots, Read, and Mez (for purely cap reasons)?
JETSWIN
Location: Winnipeg
Joined: 05.25.2012

Jul 8 @ 3:34 PM ET
Coots, Read, and Mez (for purely cap reasons)?
- JAKEw1234



that be something to chew over...I really hate to lose a guy like Bogo...
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 3:37 PM ET
that be something to chew over...I really hate to lose a guy like Bogo...
- JETSWIN

But you get a guy like Coots, who I personally think will win a Selke one day and honestly reminds me of Johnathon Toews every time he talks to reporters. He'd be your #1 center for a long time.
Muskwa
Location: Somewhere down the lazy river
Joined: 03.26.2013

Jul 8 @ 3:37 PM ET
If Burmi grows up a bit in the KHL and maybe even lights it up he will want to come back to the NHL in a couple of years. By then he will either be mature enough to resign with the Jets or worth more in a trade.

Those who are saying Chevy should have traded him are nuts. He would have got three broken sticks and a pile of pucks. keeping his NHL rights was worth more.
JETSWIN
Location: Winnipeg
Joined: 05.25.2012

Jul 8 @ 3:39 PM ET
But you get a guy like Coots, who I personally think will win a Selke one day and honestly reminds me of Johnathon Toews every time he talks to reporters. He'd be your #1 center for a long time.
- JAKEw1234



Ya.. I'm not there yet on Coots..
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 3:42 PM ET
Ya.. I'm not there yet on Coots..
- JETSWIN

If he's ever on your team you'll know
bigdaddyneil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jul 8 @ 3:48 PM ET
Have you ever been to winnipeg or to a game there? Everyone is crazy for the jets, youre an idiot for even comparing the 2.
- DDM-Coga

If you're starving in the desert, even a saltine becomes a gourmet meal!
The Jets have done nothing to prove to people that they are moving forward and getting better. How long are the good people of Winnipeg going to put up with not making the playoffs? How long are they going to watch their players be overpaid to stay and not attracting any free agents?... you think people outside of Edmonton think badly of it... the opinion of Winnipeg is even worse! How many more bad draft picks till people start getting fed up?
Wake up Jets fans! Your team is badly run. Get used to it for now. It sucks, I'm an Oilers fan, I know. Thing is, the Oilers are on the upswing. The Jets are not.
bigdaddyneil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jul 8 @ 3:48 PM ET
If Burmi grows up a bit in the KHL and maybe even lights it up he will want to come back to the NHL in a couple of years. By then he will either be mature enough to resign with the Jets or worth more in a trade.

Those who are saying Chevy should have traded him are nuts. He would have got three broken sticks and a pile of pucks. keeping his NHL rights was worth more.

- Muskwa

They could have gotten something in a trade.
doon
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Spruce Grove, AB
Joined: 08.27.2008

Jul 8 @ 3:59 PM ET
Attitude or not, it sucks losing skill for nothing. To bad for you guys, but I'm sure it won't be the last. I can see more Russians going back to play at home for big money.
RFawkes
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 12.20.2011

Jul 8 @ 4:03 PM ET
Ya? I thought we might have to give Coots +. It makes sense to me though, we need a future #1 dman, and we have an excess of centers. The Jets need a future #1 center, and already have Big Buff as well as a good d corp to make up for what they lose from Bogo.
- JAKEw1234


I'd rather trade Buff than Bogo... probably wouldn't work for Philly though.
bigdaddyneil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:10 PM ET
Attitude or not, it sucks losing skill for nothing. To bad for you guys, but I'm sure it won't be the last. I can see more Russians going back to play at home for big money.
- doon

The KHL is only getting bigger so you can't blame them for doing so. They are adding Jokerit to the league in 2014 and if that proves successful you can bet more high profile teams from the SEL will follow as well. So down the road, this can start to not just be a Russian player thing, more of a European thing. Who knows, maybe 15... 20 years from now, maybe a series between Gagarian Cup and Stanley Cup champs could work!
Muskwa
Location: Somewhere down the lazy river
Joined: 03.26.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:22 PM ET
If you're starving in the desert, even a saltine becomes a gourmet meal!
The Jets have done nothing to prove to people that they are moving forward and getting better. How long are the good people of Winnipeg going to put up with not making the playoffs? How long are they going to watch their players be overpaid to stay and not attracting any free agents?... you think people outside of Edmonton think badly of it... the opinion of Winnipeg is even worse! How many more bad draft picks till people start getting fed up?
Wake up Jets fans! Your team is badly run. Get used to it for now. It sucks, I'm an Oilers fan, I know. Thing is, the Oilers are on the upswing. The Jets are not.

- bigdaddyneil

The Jets were handcuffed to some degree with bad contracts that are finally ending (Antropov, hainsey etc) and a bare prospect cupboard. Chevy has done a lot to build the foundation. They were better this year than last and are shaping up to be even better this year.

In Winnipeg we don't measure success as finally avoiding the first overall pick.

bigdaddyneil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:28 PM ET
The Jets were handcuffed to some degree with bad contracts that are finally ending (Antropov, hainsey etc) and a bare prospect cupboard. Chevy has done a lot to build the foundation. They were better this year than last and are shaping up to be even better this year.

In Winnipeg we don't measure success as finally avoiding the first overall pick.


- Muskwa

BURN! When you've been there three times, it feels nice to finally get away from it. Oilers went from worst to 7 worst, so that's improvement. Playoffs for both teams will shut everyone up, including me. The Jets have been close the past two years and it just seems like you guys aren't any closer. If Setuguchi can gel with Kane, that could be fun!
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:37 PM ET
I'd rather trade Buff than Bogo... probably wouldn't work for Philly though.
- RFawkes

Nah Buff is a good Dman but he does seem to have devotion issues (As with his weight and lack of proper workout regimen), and we need youth, anyways. Trading a 20 year old for a 28 year old is a bad idea. Trading a 20 year old for a 22 year old isn't.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
The KHL is only getting bigger so you can't blame them for doing so. They are adding Jokerit to the league in 2014 and if that proves successful you can bet more high profile teams from the SEL will follow as well. So down the road, this can start to not just be a Russian player thing, more of a European thing. Who knows, maybe 15... 20 years from now, maybe a series between Gagarian Cup and Stanley Cup champs could work!
- bigdaddyneil

That'd be interesting now, actually. I mean the Stanley Cup team would demolish the Gagarian Cup team, but it'd still give me a warm feeling of national pride .
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 8 @ 4:45 PM ET
If you're starving in the desert, even a saltine becomes a gourmet meal!
The Jets have done nothing to prove to people that they are moving forward and getting better. How long are the good people of Winnipeg going to put up with not making the playoffs? How long are they going to watch their players be overpaid to stay and not attracting any free agents?... you think people outside of Edmonton think badly of it... the opinion of Winnipeg is even worse! How many more bad draft picks till people start getting fed up?
Wake up Jets fans! Your team is badly run. Get used to it for now. It sucks, I'm an Oilers fan, I know. Thing is, the Oilers are on the upswing. The Jets are not.

- bigdaddyneil


You honestly sound like a bitter cynical fan who is wants to be miserable about every other team bc the Oilers havent made the playoffs yet. Be optomistic you have talent.

So you are saying the 3 jets first round picks are busts, scheifele, Trouba, and Morrissey. For 2 seasont he Jets had to play in the south east, you dont think that was easy for the team. Have the Jets management come out and say we are trying to land big name free agents? They are doinh the Nashville model as mentioned in the blog. Building within their system without over spending on marquee talent on the market.

They are back in the West, in a respectable division. You need to get your head out of your butthole, its like you ahve been bullied by leafs, flames, and canuck fans for so long that you just want to try and pick on the Jets to make you feel better. Youre Sad sad hockey fan if thats the case
Muskwa
Location: Somewhere down the lazy river
Joined: 03.26.2013

Jul 8 @ 5:02 PM ET
BURN! When you've been there three times, it feels nice to finally get away from it. Oilers went from worst to 7 worst, so that's improvement. Playoffs for both teams will shut everyone up, including me. The Jets have been close the past two years and it just seems like you guys aren't any closer. If Setuguchi can gel with Kane, that could be fun!
- bigdaddyneil

It would be awesome to return to the days when the Oilers, Flames and Jets had 3 of the top 4 teams in the league all in the Smythe division. Just change the ending with the Oilers knocking the Jets out.
DinoRondelly
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.03.2011

Jul 8 @ 5:08 PM ET
But you get a guy like Coots, who I personally think will win a Selke one day and honestly reminds me of Johnathon Toews every time he talks to reporters. He'd be your #1 center for a long time.
- JAKEw1234


I highly doubt this kid turns out to be a #1 center, Philly fans way over value you him. Just for the sake of conversation please enlighten me as to how you see him being a #1 center?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 5:31 PM ET
I highly doubt this kid turns out to be a #1 center, Philly fans way over value you him. Just for the sake of conversation please enlighten me as to how you see him being a #1 center?
- DinoRondelly

A projected top 3 pick with the natural leadership abilities and work ethic of Johnny Toews, who in short flashes over the past seasons was one of the best defensive players in the league at age 20? Ya, what's to like?
DinoRondelly
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.03.2011

Jul 8 @ 5:43 PM ET
A projected top 3 pick with the natural leadership abilities and work ethic of Johnny Toews, who in short flashes over the past seasons was one of the best defensive players in the league at age 20? Ya, what's to like?
- JAKEw1234


Hmmm sounds more like a checking line center to me, not a point producing center who is going to make his line mates shine ... I think a better comparable for you would be Dave Bolland and NOT Jonathan Toews.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 5:57 PM ET
Hmmm sounds more like a checking line center to me, not a point producing center who is going to make his line mates shine ... I think a better comparable for you would be Dave Bolland and NOT Jonathan Toews.
- DinoRondelly

Pre-draft scouting report:
"The 18-year-old center has had the spotlight on him for years now, but is still being compared to stars such as Carolina Hurricanes center Eric Staal and his brother, Pittsburgh Penguins center Jordan Staal. As a 17-year-old in the Q, Couturier became the first player to lead the league in points at that age since Sidney Crosby did so in 2004-05." - BleacherReport.com

From Mike Morreale's mock draft (he had Coots going 2nd):
2 Edmonton Oilers Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville (QMJHL)
SKINNY: Eric Staal clone can do it all on offense while playing responsibly in his own end

Per rotoworld.com's mock draft:
"4. New Jersey Sean Couturier (C). Couturier is a smart offensive player who has excellent size, is a good stick-handler and has a creative touch. Couturier was thought to be a top-two choice heading into this past season but struggled at times. He had 96 points in each of the last two seasons, but more was expected last season, He is a complete player at both ends of the ice. Couturier could use some extra work with his skating skills and that might prevent him from gainful employment in the NHL next season. The Devils have very little in their farm system and could be persuaded to flip the pick with Ottawa as the Senators have the sixth pick overall and another first round selection to go with three picks in round two."

Hockeysfuture.com gave him an 8.5 potential rating (8 is a 1st line forward, 9 is an elite talent). Here's there talent analysis: "A combination of size and skill, Couturier is a solid and safe contributor at both ends of the ice. Perhaps his on-ice vision is his greatest asset, with a knack for finding an open teammate and threading a pass across the rink. Although he needs to continue to add strength to his frame and he is not known for being a punishing physical player, he uses his body well to protect the puck and make a play. Compared to the rest of the package, his skating is only average with the first few steps needing some extra work."

You're wrong because you most likely don't watch or know much about Couturier, you just have preconceived notions about him that aren't built from fact, but probably from things you might've heard from a friend, or maybe the entire Calgary fan base just doesn't like him, I don't know. It's surprising to here from you, as there are trade rumors of Coots being traded to Calgary.
DinoRondelly
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.03.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:06 PM ET
Pre-draft scouting report:
"The 18-year-old center has had the spotlight on him for years now, but is still being compared to stars such as Carolina Hurricanes center Eric Staal and his brother, Pittsburgh Penguins center Jordan Staal. As a 17-year-old in the Q, Couturier became the first player to lead the league in points at that age since Sidney Crosby did so in 2004-05." - BleacherReport.com

From Mike Morreale's mock draft (he had Coots going 2nd):
2 Edmonton Oilers Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville (QMJHL)
SKINNY: Eric Staal clone can do it all on offense while playing responsibly in his own end

Per rotoworld.com's mock draft:
"4. New Jersey Sean Couturier (C). Couturier is a smart offensive player who has excellent size, is a good stick-handler and has a creative touch. Couturier was thought to be a top-two choice heading into this past season but struggled at times. He had 96 points in each of the last two seasons, but more was expected last season, He is a complete player at both ends of the ice. Couturier could use some extra work with his skating skills and that might prevent him from gainful employment in the NHL next season. The Devils have very little in their farm system and could be persuaded to flip the pick with Ottawa as the Senators have the sixth pick overall and another first round selection to go with three picks in round two."

Hockeysfuture.com gave him an 8.5 potential rating (8 is a 1st line forward, 9 is an elite talent). Here's there talent analysis: "A combination of size and skill, Couturier is a solid and safe contributor at both ends of the ice. Perhaps his on-ice vision is his greatest asset, with a knack for finding an open teammate and threading a pass across the rink. Although he needs to continue to add strength to his frame and he is not known for being a punishing physical player, he uses his body well to protect the puck and make a play. Compared to the rest of the package, his skating is only average with the first few steps needing some extra work."

You're wrong because you most likely don't watch or know much about Couturier, you just have preconceived notion about him built from things you might've heard from a friend, or maybe the entire Calgary fan base just doesn't like him, I don't know. It's surprising to here from you, as there are trade rumors of Coots being traded to Calgary.

- JAKEw1234


Traded to Calgary for who?

I am not saying he wasnt projected high, but there are reason he fell in the draft
just like the Jones kid this year. He has only had one and half seasons so time will tell. At this point though his is over valued and if he was half of what he was hyped to be I cant see why he hasnt put up bigger numbers. And if you going to say because of the role he was given on the 3rd line then your proving my point for me. 15 points this year averaging 15:50 ice time,Brayden Schenn same ice time put up 26 points.

Anyway my point is I see him more as a Dave Bolland, someone who can chip in and score while shutting down the other teams top line. Not a top line player tearing up the score sheet.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 6:16 PM ET
Traded to Calgary for who?

I am not saying he wasnt projected high, but there are reason he fell in the draft
just like the Jones kid this year. He has only had one and half seasons so time will tell. At this point though his is over valued and if he was half of what he was hyped to be I cant see why he hasnt put up bigger numbers. And if you going to say because of the role he was given on the 3rd line then your proving my point for me. 15 points this year averaging 15:50 ice time,Brayden Schenn same ice time put up 26 points.

Anyway my point is I see him more as a Dave Bolland, someone who can chip in and score while shutting down the other teams top line. Not a top line player tearing up the score sheet.

- DinoRondelly

Brayden Schenn is also a year older and was put on a scoring line instead of a defensive line. And saying coots was on the 3rd line doesn't prove your point. We have a logjam at center, and Schenn was put on the 2nd line. That's why he produced so many points, because he was on a scoring line and was given scoring opportunities. Laviolette also handled Coots horribly. And I think the rumored price was Baertschi, Gaudreau, and a 1st; or something along those lines. And before you say it's just Philly fans getting excited, the rumor was a surprise to us and if I remember correctly it was started through Calgary media. I think you yourself undervalue coots.
bigdaddyneil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.02.2008

Jul 8 @ 6:18 PM ET
You honestly sound like a bitter cynical fan who is wants to be miserable about every other team bc the Oilers havent made the playoffs yet. Be optomistic you have talent.

So you are saying the 3 jets first round picks are busts, scheifele, Trouba, and Morrissey. For 2 seasont he Jets had to play in the south east, you dont think that was easy for the team. Have the Jets management come out and say we are trying to land big name free agents? They are doinh the Nashville model as mentioned in the blog. Building within their system without over spending on marquee talent on the market.

They are back in the West, in a respectable division. You need to get your head out of your butthole, its like you ahve been bullied by leafs, flames, and canuck fans for so long that you just want to try and pick on the Jets to make you feel better. Youre Sad sad hockey fan if thats the case

- DDM-Coga


Come up with a better reply next time! I'm as optimistic as they come, I'm an Oilers fan through thick and thin so don't sit there and try to be all high and mighty and tell me what I'm like! Guys like you sit there and try to act like a saint when you see something you don't agree with. Try to come off as a hero to everyone else. News flash, hockey is about competition and rivals beaking each other whenever they get the chance! I expect the same! Stick that in your wannabe blogger pipe and smoke it!

Following what Nashville has done is fine, but its not going to get you to the Cup. If it wasn't for Trotz, that team would not have done what it has... over achieve. And good on them. They develop the heck out of their d-men and goalies... that's about it. As for the Southeast division, it was the weakest division in hockey, so I don't think that can be used as an excuse for not making the playoffs. If anything, the Jets are in tougher next season, even with easier travel, which in my opinion is a load of bologna anyway as these are multi-millionaires on charter flights. Pretty sure they are comfortable!
DinoRondelly
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.03.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:27 PM ET
Brayden Schenn is also a year older and was put on a scoring line instead of a defensive line. And saying coots was on the 3rd line doesn't prove your point. We have a logjam at center, and Schenn was put on the 2nd line. That's why he produced so many points, because he was on a scoring line and was given scoring opportunities. Laviolette also handled Coots horribly. And I think the rumored price was Baertschi, Gaudreau, and a 1st; or something along those lines. And before you say it's just Philly fans getting excited, the rumor was a surprise to us and if I remember correctly it was started through Calgary media. I think you yourself undervalue coots.
- JAKEw1234


Is there any reason as to why Schenn got the scoring line job ahead of Coots?

Who is going to slot into the 2nd center role this upcoming season?

Thats not a good trade for Calgary not so much because of the prospects but because that 1st will be top 5 probably top 3 next year.

Do you think a 20yr Jonathan Toews would be the Flyers 3rd line Center?

And the extra year doesnt make a big difference Schenn has way more offensive upside.
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