HAH... not really... seriously, you dont think Cally is worth 750k more than Clarkson?
- aecliptic

Just because Toronto (frank)ed up doesn't me he is a basis for every player now. I guess Crosby is only worth $3M more than Clarkson? , Or better put, 2 Pyatts better than Clarkson?

The fact that Clarkson got paid for what he did 2 years ago says it all. If point production is a measure...

Clarkson... 426 GMS 97G 73A -32
Callahan... 405 GMS 121G 108A +1

Plus Callahan... 2011, increased point totals by 11 points from 2010. 2012, increased point totals by 6 from 2011. And this year he was on pace for 56-57 point season which would have been a 3 point increase from 2012.

Now, put him on a more open and offensive system, I think he can get to the 65 point mark.

The fact that Clarkson got paid for what he did 2 years ago says it all. If point production is a measure...

Clarkson... 426 GMS 97G 73A -32
Callahan... 405 GMS 121G 108A +1

Plus Callahan... 2011, increased point totals by 11 points from 2010. 2012, increased point totals by 6 from 2011. And this year he was on pace for 56-57 point season which would have been a 3 point increase from 2012.

Now, put him on a more open and offensive system, I think he can get to the 65 point mark.
- aecliptic

Right, it would seem that Callahan is platteau'n off in production. Now why don't you break down Clarkson's season by season production. Clearly, Clarkson didn't have very good production earlier in his career, but he is scoring more and more over the past few years. Arbitrators don't look at a players worth based on hypothetical "new system" in the future. Now given, if Cally has a 65-70pt season this year, there is case made, but until it happens, it doesn't translate into an automatic raise.

Right, it would seem that Callahan is platteau'n off in production. Now why don't you break down Clarkson's season by season production. Clearly, Clarkson didn't have very good production earlier in his career, but he is scoring more and more over the past few years. Arbitrators don't look at a players worth based on hypothetical "new system" in the future. Now given, if Cally has a 65-70pt season this year, there is case made, but until it happens, it doesn't translate into an automatic raise.
- xcheckmajor

Ok... lets just measure up the half season..

Clarkson, 15 goals 9 assists, -6
Callahan, 16 goals 15 assists, +9

Clarkson's 30 goal year...
30 goals 16 assists, -8 (8 goals on the PP)
Callahan, 29 goals 25 assists, -8 (13 goals on the PP)

If stats are what you base things on... Callahan has Clarkson beat.

Ok... lets just measure up the half season..

Clarkson, 15 goals 9 assists, -6
Callahan, 16 goals 15 assists, +9

Clarkson's 30 goal year...
30 goals 16 assists, -8 (8 goals on the PP)
Callahan, 29 goals 25 assists, -8 (13 goals on the PP)

If stats are what you base things on... Callahan has Clarkson beat.
- aecliptic

And thats why I think Cally gets about 1/2 a Mil more Considering Clarkson was a little overpaid. Clarkson's grit and physical play had a lot to do with his pay as well, just like Cally. But still, slightly overpaid on league standards.

And thats why I think Cally gets about 1/2 a Mil more Considering Clarkson was a little overpaid. Clarkson's grit and physical play had a lot to do with his pay as well, just like Cally. But still, slightly overpaid on league standards.
- xcheckmajor

Half a mil more is 5.75 million. I said he was going to be at the 6 mil range... I cant believe we had this whole debate over 250k.

@JimCerny: Just off the phone with @RMcDonagh27 who is thrilled with his new deal, & equally as thrilled at how smoothly negotiations went

@JimCerny: "There were no real hiccups, it was a fast-moving process, and it never got ugly..there was commitment on both sides"-@RMcDonagh27

Half a mil more is 5.75 million. I said he was going to be at the 6 mil range... I cant believe we had this whole debate over 250k.
- aecliptic

Haha, yup. I said originally that Cally would get about 5.5-5.75M, Its peanuts we're debating over. I just don't think he breaks the 6M threshold.

I think that's accurate

it all depends if Rangers want to buy a few years of Stepan's UFA eligibility like they did McDonaghs

6 years 24 million would be splendid, but probably a pipe dream
- jimbro83

Shouldn't be a pipe dream. Stepan should sign for about just that amount. Years could range from 4-6 but the salary should hover around four million per.

He had two decent seasons and one excellent one; I am not sure that warrants a contract more than what figure I have been stressing in this post.

The fact that Clarkson got paid for what he did 2 years ago says it all. If point production is a measure...

Clarkson... 426 GMS 97G 73A -32
Callahan... 405 GMS 121G 108A +1

Plus Callahan... 2011, increased point totals by 11 points from 2010. 2012, increased point totals by 6 from 2011. And this year he was on pace for 56-57 point season which would have been a 3 point increase from 2012.

Now, put him on a more open and offensive system, I think he can get to the 65 point mark.
- aecliptic

Can't use the Clarkson comparison. He was a UFA going to another team not trying to be retained.

Plus Toronto and apparently the oilers forgot that they were trying to reel in a player who had one good season in his career; not a perennial 20+ goal man.

Clarkson is a glorified third line player and Toronto is going to find this out as soon as this season.

Apparently Marchand is available. Now that is a guy people hate but would love in a Ranger uniform...

Apparently Marchand is available. Now that is a guy people hate but would love in a Ranger uniform...
- mrhattrick27

Like Esa Tikkanen or Sean Avery.

While we are on the subject of future cap, lets look at 2014 scenarios. Its widely given that we have to buy out Richards next year because of the recapture clause and the likelihood he won't last until 40 years old. So lets say we do. We need to sign about 18 guys between now and next summer. I think its safe to say these players are gone: Asham, Pyatt, Powe, Richards. Thats 10.27 freed up. Lets just say everyone else we keep, stay at minimum for the same price (I'll save Boyle for later). The cap should also increase about 5% so we are looking at about 14M. Players requiring raises:

Callahan: ~1.5M
Lundqvist: ~1.25M
Girardi: ~1.5M
Del Zotto: ~1M
Moore: ~1.5M
Kreider: ~1M

Thats a total of about 7.75M to get all of our free agents resigned and keep the core team intact (based on Stepan, Hagelin, Zucc all resigned already under this year's cap). Everyone I didn't name (Brassard, Strahlman, etc...) I expect to resign for around the same price tag they carry now, nothing significant. Brassard could possible get a small 500K raise unless he has a monster breakout year of like 80pts. for us this year. Boyle is a question. If he has a good year, we may resign him to a very marginal raise considering his year to year inconsistency. Otherwise, I expect Boyle to be signed for less or move on.

I think we should be okay because my above estimates still leave about 6M on the table to pick up 2-3 depth forwards and 1-2 depth defensemen. All in all, I think we will be in better shape next year than this year, but buying out Richards is a MUST or this team is getting blown up.

PS - I'm super bored at work...lol

Apparently Marchand is available. Now that is a guy people hate but would love in a Ranger uniform...
- mrhattrick27

Really? What's the source?

While we are on the subject of future cap, lets look at 2014 scenarios. Its widely given that we have to buy out Richards next year because of the recapture clause and the likelihood he won't last until 40 years old. So lets say we do. We need to sign about 18 guys between now and next summer. I think its safe to say these players are gone: Asham, Pyatt, Powe, Richards. Thats 10.27 freed up. Lets just say everyone else we keep, stay at minimum for the same price (I'll save Boyle for later). The cap should also increase about 5% so we are looking at about 14M. Players requiring raises:

Callahan: ~1.5M
Lundqvist: ~1.25M
Girardi: ~1.5M
Del Zotto: ~1M
Moore: ~1.5M
Kreider: ~1M

Thats a total of about 7.75M to get all of our free agents resigned and keep the core team intact (based on Stepan, Hagelin, Zucc all resigned already under this year's cap). Everyone I didn't name (Brassard, Strahlman, etc...) I expect to resign for around the same price tag they carry now, nothing significant. Brassard could possible get a small 500K raise unless he has a monster breakout year of like 80pts. for us this year. Boyle is a question. If he has a good year, we may resign him to a very marginal raise considering his year to year inconsistency. Otherwise, I expect Boyle to be signed for less or move on.

I think we should be okay because my above estimates still leave about 6M on the table to pick up 2-3 depth forwards and 1-2 depth defensemen. All in all, I think we will be in better shape next year than this year, but buying out Richards is a MUST or this team is getting blown up.

PS - I'm super bored at work...lol
- xcheckmajor

I think they are gearing up for the addition of the sedins next year.

I think they are gearing up for the addition of the sedins next year.
- Slimtj100

And Im gearing up for another offseason where all of hockey starts to crap on us for signing high end talent. Get ready for the Rangers to ruin the CBA next year.

Really? What's the source?
- rmdevil313

Twitter but someone posted in on the Oil thread. His new contract kicks in this year.

2014 roster:

Sedin-Sedin-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Brassard-Miller
Dorsett-_____-_____

I think they are gearing up for the addition of the sedins next year.
- Slimtj100

I think that would be a terrible mistake. Too many teams are falling for the "top heavy" build where 3-4 players eat up 50% of the teams cap. Thats a terrible recipe for having holes the roster then with an uneven build. If we have to shell out 12-14M for the Sedin Twins, there is no way we can keep guys like Girardi, Brassard, and Del Zotto. We would have like an amazing top 6 and a terrible bottom 6, a great top 3 or 4 dmen, then complete liabilities in 5 & 6. It would blow up the core.

2014 roster:

Sedin-Sedin-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Brassard-Miller
Dorsett-_____-_____
- Slimtj100

Lindberg, Fast

or Hrivik, Jean

And Im gearing up for another offseason where all of hockey starts to crap on us for signing high end talent. Get ready for the Rangers to ruin the CBA next year.
- aecliptic

Well they gonna have space most likely. More then the other big markets. I don't see them going to like Calgary or somewhere like that. If they can stand torts they will stay but that's no guarentee

While we are on the subject of future cap, lets look at 2014 scenarios. Its widely given that we have to buy out Richards next year because of the recapture clause and the likelihood he won't last until 40 years old. So lets say we do. We need to sign about 18 guys between now and next summer. I think its safe to say these players are gone: Asham, Pyatt, Powe, Richards. Thats 10.27 freed up. Lets just say everyone else we keep, stay at minimum for the same price (I'll save Boyle for later). The cap should also increase about 5% so we are looking at about 14M. Players requiring raises:

Callahan: ~1.5M
Lundqvist: ~1.25M
Girardi: ~1.5M
Del Zotto: ~1M
Moore: ~1.5M
Kreider: ~1M

Thats a total of about 7.75M to get all of our free agents resigned and keep the core team intact (based on Stepan, Hagelin, Zucc all resigned already under this year's cap). Everyone I didn't name (Brassard, Strahlman, etc...) I expect to resign for around the same price tag they carry now, nothing significant. Brassard could possible get a small 500K raise unless he has a monster breakout year of like 80pts. for us this year. Boyle is a question. If he has a good year, we may resign him to a very marginal raise considering his year to year inconsistency. Otherwise, I expect Boyle to be signed for less or move on.

I think we should be okay because my above estimates still leave about 6M on the table to pick up 2-3 depth forwards and 1-2 depth defensemen. All in all, I think we will be in better shape next year than this year, but buying out Richards is a MUST or this team is getting blown up.

PS - I'm super bored at work...lol
- xcheckmajor

If Stralman has a good year this season, the Rangers wont be able to re-sign him. He'll be 27 and with an increasing cap I could see a team playing him close to or more than 3 million AAV on the open market. Brassard has to be signed at 4 million. Due to him being a RFA and his actually salary of 3.7 million this season. The Rangers if they intend on keeping have to qualify him at 4 million. Forget about Girardi and Lundqvist. They will get big time $$$, whether it be with the Rangers or on the open Market.

2014 roster:

Sedin-Sedin-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Brassard-Miller
Dorsett-_____-_____
- Slimtj100

How bout we worry about the roster this year.

I think that would be a terrible mistake. Too many teams are falling for the "top heavy" build where 3-4 players eat up 50% of the teams cap. Thats a terrible recipe for having holes the roster then with an uneven build. If we have to shell out 12-14M for the Sedin Twins, there is no way we can keep guys like Girardi, Brassard, and Del Zotto. We would have like an amazing top 6 and a terrible bottom 6, a great top 3 or 4 dmen, then complete liabilities in 5 & 6. It would blow up the core.
- xcheckmajor

Of course we can... first of, its expected for the salary cap to increase by atleast 5%, meaning 3 to 4 million guaranteed. Secondly, we buy out Richards freeing up 6.66 million. Thirdly, only Nash, Staal and Dorsett have contracts that extend after next year.

2014 roster:

Sedin-Sedin-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Brassard-Miller
Dorsett-_____-_____
- Slimtj100

This is about 40M in only 10 Forwards right here. Add 8M for Hank, 4.7 for McD, 4M for Staal and you have about 57M tied up. That leaves about 10M to sign 3 more forwards and 5 more defensemen. There is no way you can put this type of roster together.