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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:07 PM ET
i think a coots for bogosian would be worth it for both sides. both sides are taking a risk, but have the possibility for huge growth in potential, while still getting young competency now.

the deal involving kane is ridiculous from a jets standpoint. kane would fetch a huge haul for them.

- stayinthefnnet

too bad flyers didn't keep bryz

they'd trade kane for bryz, he is loved there
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:08 PM ET
I'm using an extremely smooth computer at a dealership while my Mazda6 gets fixed. Unfortunately the computer is allowing me to do everything but mapquest!
- dingo8urbaby

it is on the ocean ("shore" is how they say this there) south of atlantic city

about an hour and a half drive from philly
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:13 PM ET
too bad flyers didn't keep bryz

they'd trade kane for bryz, he is loved there

- Marc D

i realistically think the flyers are one of the only teams with the young goods necessary to acquire kane, but it would gut the core movement to the point where i dont know if it would be worth it for you guys, as much as i like him.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 8 @ 4:14 PM ET
it is on the ocean ("shore" is how they say this there) south of atlantic city

about an hour and a half drive from philly

- Marc D

"down a' shore"
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:19 PM ET
i realistically think the flyers are one of the only teams with the young goods necessary to acquire kane, but it would gut the core movement to the point where i dont know if it would be worth it for you guys, as much as i like him.
- stayinthefnnet


Dollar, dollar bills y'all...

stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:24 PM ET
Dollar, dollar bills y'all...


- PLindbergh31

i honestly dont know how i could make observations on what ive seen about his personality without sounding incredibly racist, so i just wont even touch on that issue. ill just say that im not a huge fan.

however, im not biased when it comes to his production on the ice. 30 to 40 goals looks the same on the scoresheet, regardless of the color of who put them in the net haha
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:29 PM ET
i honestly dont know how i could make observations on what ive seen about his personality without sounding incredibly racist, so i just wont even touch on that issue. ill just say that im not a huge fan.

however, im not biased when it comes to his production on the ice. 30 to 40 goals looks the same on the scoresheet, regardless of the color of who put them in the net haha

- stayinthefnnet


He's a stud on the ice. I think he's been a fairly good guy off the ice from what I have seen.

I could care less if a player is purple with pink polka dots, as long as he performs.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 8 @ 4:29 PM ET
It wouldn't be awful. But Bogosian has had a slow developmental curve, compared to the other defensemen in his class.
- Jsaquella

wouldn't be awful? homer'd make that deal in a NY minute
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 4:34 PM ET
It wouldn't be awful. But Bogosian has had a slow developmental curve, compared to the other defensemen in his class.
- Jsaquella


I think he's (Bogo) been better than Schenn personally.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 8 @ 4:35 PM ET
i realistically think the flyers are one of the only teams with the young goods necessary to acquire kane, but it would gut the core movement to the point where i dont know if it would be worth it for you guys, as much as i like him.
- stayinthefnnet

they supposedly tried to get him for Carter or Richards + a first or something like that, winnipeg turned it down, the rest is history
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
Meszaros and Coburn go hunting with Richard Cheney
- Jsaquella

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:43 PM ET
I think he's (Bogo) been better than Schenn personally.
- jmatchett383

I think he WILL be better than Schenn. I don't know at this point, though. Schenn's definitely got him in the physical department, but Bogo has Schenn in the offense department.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:48 PM ET
Rich Smith ‏@ALLsportsINTEL 30m
NHL - Reports coming in the Buffalo Sabres have had extensive trade talks with the Colorado Avalanche and Ottawa Senators regarding Vanek.

If Ottawa got Vanek that would be amazing.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 8 @ 4:48 PM ET
Anyone going to developmental camp?
- Jimmygrazz


pretty sure NFG was there today.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 8 @ 4:51 PM ET
Rich Smith ‏@ALLsportsINTEL 30m
NHL - Reports coming in the Buffalo Sabres have had extensive trade talks with the Colorado Avalanche and Ottawa Senators regarding Vanek.

If Ottawa got Vanek that would be amazing.

- JAKEw1234


I like the heart that Ottawa plays with. Not the most talented team but they play hard.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 8 @ 4:53 PM ET
it is on the ocean ("shore" is how they say this there) south of atlantic city

about an hour and a half drive from philly

- Marc D

I'm staying in an area nearest Washington and Clinton, New Jersey. It shouldn't be too far. It's just a matter of getting directions.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 4:53 PM ET
I think he WILL be better than Schenn. I don't know at this point, though. Schenn's definitely got him in the physical department, but Bogo has Schenn in the offense department.
- JAKEw1234


Wow...I just looked, and Schenn averages more than 1 hit/game more than Bogosian. Didn't know it was THAT different. Bogo's no slouch, though. he had 2.4 hits/game last year, but Schenn had just under 4/game.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:54 PM ET
He's a stud on the ice. I think he's been a fairly good guy off the ice from what I have seen.

I could care less if a player is purple with pink polka dots, as long as he performs.

- PLindbergh31

he is an absolute stud. im just not a huge fan of the whole dolla billz, YMCMB thing he has going on. but still, regardless of skin color, he is a young person with a poop ton of money. if the worst thing he has going on is a little brashness, then hes ahead of the game. not illegal or detrimental to the team in any way. id gladly take him any day
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 8 @ 4:57 PM ET
Rich Smith ‏@ALLsportsINTEL 30m
NHL - Reports coming in the Buffalo Sabres have had extensive trade talks with the Colorado Avalanche and Ottawa Senators regarding Vanek.

If Ottawa got Vanek that would be amazing.

- JAKEw1234


Would be very surprised that Buffalo would move Vanek to a division rival.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:58 PM ET
Wow...I just looked, and Schenn averages more than 1 hit/game more than Bogosian. Didn't know it was THAT different. Bogo's no slouch, though. he had 2.4 hits/game last year, but Schenn had just under 4/game.
- jmatchett383

Schenn has led all defenseman in hits for the past 3 seasons, so it's pretty hard for any defenseman to be more physical than Schenn.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 8 @ 5:00 PM ET
Before you leave, check to see where and when Zac Rinaldo was drafted.
- MJL


Zach is a good player, but he is a role player. If he retired tomorrow they would slot someone else in and be just fine. Harry z could have taken that role and cost them nothing. By significant I mean 1st or 2nd line forward or 1-4 defense.

And I'm not even expecting a Weber or Bergeron 2nd round grand slam either. But they should have been able to draft one kulemin, or lucic, or Dubinsky or Goligoski.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 8 @ 5:01 PM ET
Zach is a good player, but he is a role player. If he retired tomorrow they would slot someone else in and be just fine. Harry z could have taken that role and cost them nothing. By significant I mean 1st or 2nd line forward or 1-4 defense.

And I'm not even expecting a Weber or Bergeron 2nd round grand slam either. But they should have been able to draft one kulemin, or lucic, or Dubinsky or Goligoski.

- TheGreat28

real stud right there haha
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 8 @ 5:04 PM ET
Rich Smith ‏@ALLsportsINTEL 30m
NHL - Reports coming in the Buffalo Sabres have had extensive trade talks with the Colorado Avalanche and Ottawa Senators regarding Vanek.

If Ottawa got Vanek that would be amazing.

- JAKEw1234

Buffalo finally admitting defeat and are in rebuild mode. They should have gave Ville Leino his walking Papers.
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Jul 8 @ 5:04 PM ET
According to Carchidi, Morin excelled in the physical testing today. Specifically sprints and the high jump.

Good assets for a stay at home dman to have, i guess.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 5:06 PM ET
According to Carchidi, Morin excelled in the physical testing today. Specifically sprints and the high jump.

Good assets for a stay at home dman to have, i guess.

- flyguy12

I never understood the point of testing NHL players on the high jump. Seems pointless.
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