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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:40 PM ET
and that's after a shortened season when he still had something left in the tank
what's he going to do next year after 70 something games?

- Don'tForgetTocchet


Probably pull his groin a half dozen times.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 12:40 PM ET
and that's after a shortened season when he still had something left in the tank
what's he going to do next year after 70 something games?

- Don'tForgetTocchet


The Macarena?
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:40 PM ET
I think so.

Guess who one of Pronger's first coaches was in the NHL?

Hint: Just about every rational hockey fan (and some former players) can't stand the guy today.

- johndewar

ThE one and only piere mcguire
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 8 @ 12:40 PM ET
Dude you're greatly in favor of putting a sizeable packge together for anyone
- Giroux_Is_God

Just him and Pietrangelo

EDIT: Oh and Evander Kane...

EDIT2: And Bogosian...
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:41 PM ET
I think so.

Guess who one of Pronger's first coaches was in the NHL?

Hint: Just about every rational hockey fan (and some former players) can't stand the guy today.

- johndewar

Kevin Weekes?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:41 PM ET
skippy likes ellio's
the middle of the first round is picks 11-20
leclair is a little chubby
flyergrace is having a rough week

- Don'tForgetTocchet

Jake wants to trade everybody except Giroux and Voracek for Dougie frickin Hamilton
Jagr is goofy
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 8 @ 12:41 PM ET
Didn't Holmgren draft Pronger when he was GM of the Whalers?
- PLindbergh31


Wiki says:

The Whalers entered the 1993-94 season with high hopes from a core of young talented players. The Whalers were also able to draft defenseman Chris Pronger who began his career with the Whalers, playing alongside veteran defenseman Brad McCrimmon, and later became an NHL star. However, problems began at the management level when General Manager Brian Burke announced he would resign when the season began to take an executive position with the NHL. In addition, Burke had some disagreements with team owner Richard Gordon.

After Burke left, Holmgren took over as Head Coach and General Manager. The Whalers started off the season poorly. Holmgren felt he was unable to handle the job of GM and Head Coach so he made Pierre McGuire the new Head Coach so Holmgren could focus on his duties as GM. The coaching change did not help the Whalers since McGuire was not popular with the players and the Whalers continued to struggle.

The Whalers reached a low point in the season when six players and two assistant coaches were arrested in Buffalo after being involved in a bar room brawl. Pronger was one of the players arrested even though he was 19 years old at the time, two years below than the legal drinking age in New York state. Around this same time Paul Holmgren checked himself into rehab for alcohol addiction.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:41 PM ET
Didn't Holmgren draft Pronger when he was GM of the Whalers?
- PLindbergh31


Holmgren coached Pronger, never was Whalers GM. Brian Burke was.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:42 PM ET
Holmgren coached Pronger, never was Whalers GM. Brian Burke was.
- Jsaquella


Ok. I thought sure Holmgren was the Whalers GM at one point. I stand corrected.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:43 PM ET
Ok. I thought sure Holmgren was the Whalers GM at one point. I stand corrected.
- PLindbergh31


I had to double check myself.
Stinkfitz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 08.14.2012

Jul 8 @ 12:43 PM ET
As long as his trucking company (co-owned with Chris Therien) gets my shipments delivered on time, that's all I care.
- Flyskippy


Which company is that?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 8 @ 12:43 PM ET
Holmgren coached Pronger, never was Whalers GM. Brian Burke was.
- Jsaquella


Holmgren was GM after Pronger was drafted.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:44 PM ET
Holmgren coached Pronger, never was Whalers GM. Brian Burke was.
- Jsaquella

He was eventually the GM.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 12:44 PM ET
Holmgren coached Pronger, never was Whalers GM. Brian Burke was.
- Jsaquella


Wiki says:

After Burke left, Holmgren took over as Head Coach and General Manager.

- Feanor
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:44 PM ET
He was eventually the GM.
- mayorofangrytown


Well, there you go

I see why it wasn't listed on the stupid resource I used...wiki says he was interim GM of the Whalers.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:45 PM ET
Which company is that?
- Stinkfitz


Buffet Line
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 8 @ 12:46 PM ET
Holmgren coached Pronger, never was Whalers GM. Brian Burke was.
- Jsaquella

Wikipedia says he was interim GM, for what it's worth. I know I wasn't paying attention back then.

EDIT: Super leight
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:47 PM ET
So, just from seeing him in person.. Ill tell you right now that if you think John Leclair is fat think again. Is he trim? Not at all... but that dude is solid as poop. Talk about a big dude.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:47 PM ET
Wikipedia says he was interim GM, for what it's worth. I know I wasn't paying attention back then.

EDIT: Super leight

- BulliesPhan87

Story of your sad life.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:47 PM ET
Haha I remember that bar fight well. It was at Jim kelly's bar right down the street from the aud. I was at another bar that night about a half mile away. Word spread and everyone ran to kelly's bar. F'n cops EVERYWHERE! I think rob ray was the one who started the fight if I remember right. One crazy night for sure!!!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:47 PM ET
Well, there you go
- Jsaquella




Nothing the Whalers ever did really stood out. Didn't they win one playoff series in franchise history?

The brass band, and playing at a Mall is pretty cool.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:48 PM ET
He's fat.
- bradleyc4

bufflin2
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:49 PM ET
bufflin2
- Marc D

i literally still cant get over that a prospect has been dubbed Z2
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:49 PM ET
Okay, there's no more hockey central at noon to stream at work... where do I need to go to hear some summer hockey talk? All this Blue Jays/Money Ball talk is making me nutz.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:49 PM ET


Nothing the Whalers ever did really stood out. Didn't they win one playoff series in franchise history?

The brass band, and playing at a Mall is pretty cool.

- PLindbergh31


Ah Hell, honey, the Whalers are down 6-2, let's go hit the Members Only outlet store so I can get a new jacket
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