I might be mistaken, but I don't think I am. I believe that if a player retires due to injury and is proven medically unfit to play, insurance will pay the rest of the players salary. A lot like Work-mans comp and disability. The only reason Pronger has to not retire is for the Flyer's Cap, and they most likely offered him a "position" inside the office if he didn't retire. If Giroux's leg got cut off after next season due to on-ice injury, then he would get his entire contract if he retired.
- youarewrong

I disagree. You don't know what's written in a players insurance contract. And insurance doesn't pay the who amount. You can find this info in the CBA. Look it up. There are also pension issues involved for a player. There are many reasons why a player wouldn't retire. Not just the cap issue.

Dosent CUJO hold the record for most loses in NHL history? He is the best worst goalie of all time.
- youarewrong

Brodeur does.

Play a lot of games, and you'll lose a lot, as well as win a lot.

So you've already determined that Morin's ceiling as a player is at best a #3 defenseman, similar to the players you mentioned? So how can you explain that the Flyers Scouting Department. Which is comprised of professional talent evaluators that work for an NHL team. That have extensively scouted the player, and watched him play actual games. Came to a different conclusion then you have? Because they obviously see more in him then you think he's going to be. Or they wouldn't have taken him with the 11th overall pick. How often have you seen Morin play? How many games?
- MJL

It is amusing to read peoples critiques of the Kids just drafted...and seriously most prospects take 4 or 5 years to grow into an NHL calibre players anyways....some seem to suggest this is a an issue....it couldnt be further from the truth.....not always, but most of the time theres growing pains....all you can hope is that the scouts have done a good job and that the Kid continues to grow as a player.....nothing is a given...these guys are still kids.

Holmgren is still employed b/c Snider is a fiercely loyal guy. Only reason Clarke is no longer GM is because Clarke took himself out.
- phillydentist

Holmgren is still employed because he's a good GM.

1st pairing potential. It will take him about 3-4 year before he is ready to crack the NHL, and another 3-4 year to develop his game into a top line defenseman. So if you think Morin is the Future fix to the top pairing, be prepared for it to take 8 years before that happens. So basically when Girouxs contract runs out...

To me its pretty obvious the guys that we have are not going to be top pairing guys for us anytime soon. They can come in and be support player on thier way to the top, but if we plan on winning anytime soon we need to make moves. I would suggest moving Couturier for someone that is only 1-2 years away from taking that step into a number 1 position. Or making a play for AP, even if it costs you Couturier, Read, and 2 first round picks.
- youarewrong

8 years is an exaggeration. 5 years is more realistic. Who would you move Couturier for.

Dosent CUJO hold the record for most loses in NHL history? He is the best worst goalie of all time.
- youarewrong

Reggie Jackson holds the record for most strikeouts. Dude stunk.

Probably the same 3 minute youtube video I found on him. The problem is everyone is placing these pairing numbers on kids who have not developed yet.
- Stinkfitz

From Bill's article today, "If they do get close to maximizing their potential, Morin has the ability to become a bigger, better-skating version of Luke Schenn."

If he does reach his potential, it is likely it wont be for another 6-8 NHL seasons. That is IF. All I am saying is we cant pencil him in as our future top liner. I think in 3-4 years we can pencil him in as a 3-4 guy that will be on a cheap contract, eliminating a need to pay a guy 5 million to do the same job, while we give him NHL time to see if he can develop into a top pairing guy.... Wish you guys would read what MJL is replying to because he usually takes bits of a post and takes it out of context.

Duplicate post.

Wow... Anyone that follows the Flyers on twitter, check out the size of John Leclair.

He looks like a stunt double for Dustin Byfuglien.

8 years is an exaggeration. 5 years is more realistic. Who would you move Couturier for.
- MJL

TSN expected him to arrive in the 2016/17 season. That's 4 years. It will probably take 2 years to get fully acclamated and confident in the NHL. That puts him at 6. I don't know if 1 year in the NHL is enough to reach your potential.

Of course, for all we know, he has a breakout season this year and comes to the NHL for 14/15 and wins the Calder. But I think saying we'll see where he seems to fit in will take 6-8 years is reasonable.

8 years is an exaggeration. 5 years is more realistic. Who would you move Couturier for.
- MJL

Bill and other have said he is 3-4 years away from being an NHL player. You don't just come up from the AHL and become a top line guy in 1-2 seasons. He will likely take 3-4 years to become a 3-4 defenseman, and another 3-4 years to become a top 2 player, if he reaches his potential. So that is about 6-8 years. That is too long to wait, and IMO no-one else will be a top pairing guy within the next 3-4 years either, except Schenn. To me that means, we will have to go out and get one.

TSN expected him to arrive in the 2016/17 season. That's 4 years. It will probably take 2 years to get fully acclamated and confident in the NHL. That puts him at 6. I don't know if 1 year in the NHL is enough to reach your potential.

Of course, for all we know, he has a breakout season this year and comes to the NHL for 14/15 and wins the Calder. But I think saying we'll see where he seems to fit in will take 6-8 years is reasonable.
- jmatchett383

It's probably just as realistic that Morin never becomes a solid NHL regular, than projecting him to be a top pairing guy. The truth probably lies in between.

Wow... Anyone that follows the Flyers on twitter, check out the size of John Leclair.

He looks like a stunt double for Dustin Byfuglien.
- PLindbergh31

He chunked up just a tad

I'm taking my opinion on what I have read from other scouts, and Bill. I think he has upside to be a 1-2 defenseman, but he is most likely 6-8 years away from reaching that level. In the meantime he will be a 3-4 d-man. Bill says his upside is like a more mobil Schenn, but he is 3-4 years away from playing in the NHL. Then you have to give him 3-4 years to become a top NHL player. Not every player can just come up like OEL or Doughty and be a top defenseman after a year or 2.
- youarewrong

What scouts have said he's at best a #3? And Bill clearly said he has top pairing potential. It's going to take some time. But you know that going in.

It's probably just as realistic that Morin never becomes a solid NHL regular, than projecting him to be a top pairing guy. The truth probably lies in between.
- PLindbergh31

Nah, I say he becomes Jesus on skates.

He chunked up just a tad
- bigmookalookie

A tad Mookie? LOL. He looks like he's about 3 bills.

Brodeur does.

Play a lot of games, and you'll lose a lot, as well as win a lot.
- eayost

True. And I bet that is a stat not known by most fans.

From Bill's article today, "If they do get close to maximizing their potential, Morin has the ability to become a bigger, better-skating version of Luke Schenn."

If he does reach his potential, it is likely it wont be for another 6-8 NHL seasons. That is IF. All I am saying is we cant pencil him in as our future top liner. I think in 3-4 years we can pencil him in as a 3-4 guy that will be on a cheap contract, eliminating a need to pay a guy 5 million to do the same job, while we give him NHL time to see if he can develop into a top pairing guy.... Wish you guys would read what MJL is replying to because he usually takes bits of a post and takes it out of context.
- youarewrong

I think the Flyers organization will help Morin develop and mold into a mean and nasty first pairing guy over the next 2-3 years and he'll be ready for a lot of minutes by the time he's 22-23 years old.

Wow... Anyone that follows the Flyers on twitter, check out the size of John Leclair.

He looks like a stunt double for Dustin Byfuglien.
- PLindbergh31

homer just signed him up on a one yr deal
#gettingbigger

Wow... Anyone that follows the Flyers on twitter, check out the size of John Leclair.

He looks like a stunt double for Dustin Byfuglien.
- PLindbergh31

homer just signed him up on a one yr deal
#gettingbigger
- Marc D

Homey don't do one year deals. 4 year deal, full NMC.

- Scoob

I tried to post that. Didn't work. To say Mr. Leclair hasn't been disciplined in his food and beverage, would be an understatement.

8 years is an exaggeration. 5 years is more realistic. Who would you move Couturier for.
- MJL

Oh yes, let me fall into this trap and say who I would trade Couturier for, so you can think of why this or that wouldn't work and draw us even further away from the original discussion of me saying that we cant count or any guy in our system to be a top pairing guy or replacement for Timonen in the near future. I'll just skip that part and just say we need to get a top pairing guy, and should be willing to pay what it reasonably costs to get them. Whether its Couts, Read, or whatever. It is much easier to replace a Couturier then it is to replace a Pronger.

you guys can have niskanen for a broken stick if youd like to really shore up that back end

A tad Mookie? LOL. He looks like he's about 3 bills.
- PLindbergh31

Let's not just pick on Johnny Vermont here.

The Big E looks like he hasn't missed many meals either.