rather than make it better.

quality plan
- Big_Lightnin

I'm still not sold on this. I'm hoping for the best but who knows....

I thought it was a little high, but when you see how much cap space is left its terrible. I was telling myself that it would help Kessel resign... but how do you resign Kessel with no room. Crossing my fingers that the cap goes up.
- kylkri

they'll have room next year. The money coming off the cap from buyouts and Frattin/Scrivens retention is enough to cover Phil to $7.9M on it's own.

This rain is punishment for signing Bozak.
- markmark

YES the Gods are angry that we not only re-signed Bozak but to make things worse it's for 5 years. Guess that nixes our search for a true #1 center.

I'm still not sold on this. I'm hoping for the best but who knows....
- markmark

Bernier is better than Scrivens. This is a fact. Therefore it's better.

If Bernier turns out to be better than Reimer, it's (frank)ing gold.

If they left the goaltending alone, which wasn't a problem in the first place, there wouldn't be a problem. Now the D - which was the problem - will be worse.
- aminnes

I hear ya. Didnt really think that we'd get another goalie. Bernier is a solid pick up. Reimer is 1.8 mil, and bernier is 2.9 mil. For goaltending we have 4.7mil tied up. I know clarkson would have got it somewhere else but, hes getting the same amount as lupul. Between clarkson and bozak we have 9.45 mil tied up.

I dont think the goaltending salary is the issue.

YES the Gods are angry that we not only re-signed Bozak but to make things worse it's for 5 years. Guess that nixes our search for a true #1 center.
- GCHonda

Do you know how you search for a true #1 center?... you draft him.

Bernier is better than Scrivens. This is a fact. Therefore it's better.

If Bernier turns out to be better than Reimer, it's (frank)ing gold.
- Big_Lightnin

Sorry thats what I was referring to. (Bernier v Reimer)

they'll have room next year. The money coming off the cap from buyouts and Frattin/Scrivens retention is enough to cover Phil to $7.9M on it's own.
- Big_Lightnin

Phaneuf, Bolland, Kulemin, McClement, Kessel. Plus, Bernier is no guarantee, and can only play so much. Defense getting worse. Dumb, dumb move. They are effectively paying a guy with 60 games experience 3.4 million. Retards.

If they left the goaltending alone, which wasn't a problem in the first place, there wouldn't be a problem. Now the D - which was the problem - will be worse.
- aminnes

Liles has to go. That 3.8 would go a long way to making sure everyone's resigned and we have a bit of wiggle room.

I hear ya. Didnt really think that we'd get another goalie. Bernier is a solid pick up. Reimer is 1.8 mil, and bernier is 2.9 mil. For goaltending we have 4.7mil tied up. I know clarkson would have got it somewhere else but, hes getting the same amount as lupul. Between clarkson and bozak we have 9.45 mil tied up.

I dont think the goaltending salary is the issue.
- kylkri

well, Bernier makes $2M more than Scrivens... so... there's an argument there.

Clarkson will be worth every penny, for 4 yrs anyway. Bozak is $1.3M cheaper than Grabo... so they're that.

If they didn't sign him they'd have paid Filpula more, or Weiss more... neither of whom or big enough upgrades over Bozak to warrant possibly pissing off Kessel.

I hear ya. Didnt really think that we'd get another goalie. Bernier is a solid pick up. Reimer is 1.8 mil, and bernier is 2.9 mil. For goaltending we have 4.7mil tied up. I know clarkson would have got it somewhere else but, hes getting the same amount as lupul. Between clarkson and bozak we have 9.45 mil tied up.

I dont think the goaltending salary is the issue.
- kylkri

Overall o, but compared to what they could have had, not in relation to other teams in relation to themselves. The D as it was isn't good enough, if they lose guys it probly gets worse, so why upgrade an area that didn't need it for an area that did?

Sorry thats what I was referring to. (Bernier v Reimer)
- markmark

ya I know, that's why I keep stating it that way.

Everyone keeps thinking it's Reimer or Bernier... forgetting for a moment we have BOTH for at least this year.

Phaneuf, Bolland, Kulemin, McClement, Kessel. Plus, Bernier is no guarantee, and can only play so much. Defense getting worse. Dumb, dumb move. They are effectively paying a guy with 60 games experience 3.4 million. Retards.
- aminnes

Phanuef down, Bolland buhbye, Kulemin same, McClement same or bye, Kessel Raise. We are fine.

Phaneuf, Bolland, Kulemin, McClement, Kessel. Plus, Bernier is no guarantee, and can only play so much. Defense getting worse. Dumb, dumb move. They are effectively paying a guy with 60 games experience 3.4 million. Retards.
- aminnes

Given the crop of young D that is 2 yrs or less away, they didn't want to lock up long term with any.

I'd have been pissed if they signed Scuderi to that contract the Pens just did. \

you're looking at a 1 yr plan. They have more than a 1 yr plan for D.

Liles has to go. That 3.8 would go a long way to making sure everyone's resigned and we have a bit of wiggle room.
- gravyface

I think making moves and then hoping someone picks up liles, if thats what they did, is silly. You make moves knowing he's gone or after he's moved. If he was going to be traded he would have been. Think back, how many moves get made from now until camp - very few ever.

Phanuef down, Bolland buhbye, Kulemin same, McClement same or bye, Kessel Raise. We are fine.
- Leafland

not bloody likely, but let's see how he plays.

like to see Dion take a $1M haircut. Wifey can show her tits in a movie and make that up easy

Phanuef down, Bolland buhbye, Kulemin same, McClement same or bye, Kessel Raise. We are fine.
- Leafland

Phaneuf down is never happening in the real world, Kulemin same sound fishy - lots of teams want him, McClement is an assumption also. You can't manage a team with a crystal ball. You have to know what your doing.

Overall o, but compared to what they could have had, not in relation to other teams in relation to themselves. The D as it was isn't good enough, if they lose guys it probly gets worse, so why upgrade an area that didn't need it for an area that did?
- aminnes

matter of opinion... and degree

They had a chance to upgrade tremendously in potential at a very small cost. That's a trade you make every time.

Phaneuf down is never happening in the real world, Kulemin same sound fishy - lots of teams want him, McClement is an assumption also. You can't manage a team with a crystal ball. You have to know what your doing.
- aminnes

not bloody likely, but let's see how he plays.

like to see Dion take a $1M haircut. Wifey can show her tits in a movie and make that up easy
- Big_Lightnin

I'd bet you will be watching that movie.

- Leafland

Exactly.

Phaneuf down is never happening in the real world, Kulemin same sound fishy - lots of teams want him, McClement is an assumption also. You can't manage a team with a crystal ball. You have to know what your doing.
- aminnes

I think it's down or trade him. They can't pay Dion what he makes now let alone give him a raise.

Somebody will definitely trade for him at the deadline... or hell you take the cap space and let him walk if don't want to disrupt the room for the playoff run

I'd bet you will be watching that movie.
- Tee-Dot

so will everyone else with a straight Richard

Exactly.
- aminnes

All any of us are doing is using a crystal ball? Yourself included.

I think it's down or trade him. They can't pay Dion what he makes now let alone give him a raise.

Somebody will definitely trade for him at the deadline... or hell you take the cap space and let him walk if don't want to disrupt the room for the playoff run
- Big_Lightnin

Trading him made the most sense before free agency. Doing now means trading from a position of weakness. Plus, your not getting back a better defensmen in return. If what your saying is true and it's all about long term, this season could very well be a step back, at least on the defensive end.