if arbitration awards fraser anything less than 3.5million the leafs HAVE to take it.
dangerous game Nonis is playing here.
- Dozzer

ah... wasn't aware of that rule.

(frank) me. ya... they're (frank)ed.

have to trade Gunnar if that happens.

He'll probably get an award of like $1.2M

Strange thing is - no idea why Nonis cares about the 2-way - If he doesn't make the team out of camp they'll lose him to waivers anyway. Offer $800K 1-way.

WHAT?

Arbitration won't give him $2M let alone $3.5M
guys highest career salary was THIS year at $600k!?

and they can't afford to sign him for $1M even. Never mind whatever an arb award gives him.
- Big_Lightnin

you arent listening

if the award is less than 3.5million then the leafs cant walk away

thats the rules.

so the arbitrator could give him 1.4million and the leafs would HAVE to sign it.

ah... wasn't aware of that rule.

(frank) me. ya... they're (frank)ed.

have to trade Gunnar if that happens.

He'll probably get an award of like $1.2M
- Big_Lightnin

yup, exactly.

or they give him that award and the leafs promptly bury him on the marlies and go another route.

that way only the portion of his salary over 900K would be on the cap

you arent listening

if the award is less than 3.5million then the leafs cant walk away

thats the rules.

so the arbitrator could give him 1.4million and the leafs would HAVE to sign it.
- Dozzer

of course not. I'm reading... and hadn't read everything yet

you arent listening

if the award is less than 3.5million then the leafs cant walk awaythats the rules.

so the arbitrator could give him 1.4million and the leafs would HAVE to sign it.
- Dozzer

and this is a New CBA rule, right? Cause Thrashers walked away from MacArthuer's award of like $2M and change or something like that. Certainly wasn't $3.5M

hey did Gunnar get his (frank)ing hip fixed yet? that was gonna need surgery was it not?

of course not. I'm reading... and hadn't read everything yet
- Big_Lightnin

i saw that lol.. and then kinda felt bad for typing that lol

sorry

Too lazy to back read, but has anyone done a better job than me (hint: I generally make poop up and/or can't be bother to fact-check re: CBA stuff) at figuring out what the Leafs are going to need to do/how much for our RFAs?

Here's what Mirtle had earlier:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.000m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($1.083m) / Joe Colborne ($0.775m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Carl Gunnarsson ($2.800m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Cody Franson ($2.450m)
Mark Fraser ($0.750m) / Morgan Rielly ($1.744m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
Matt Frattin ($0.437m—0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m—0.1%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,943,333; BONUSES: $1,362,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $719,167


I think he's way low on Franson and Fraser and if so, we're (frank)ed unless we can move Liles.

Somebody said yesterday that we only get two buyouts (compliance or non-compliance) each year, but I can't confirm the non-compliance max; I've only seen the limit on compliance buyouts.

and this is a New CBA rule, right? Cause Thrashers walked away from MacArthuer's award of like $2M and change or something like that. Certainly wasn't $3.5M
- Big_Lightnin

yeah i know.. its just what i've read... not entirely sure how that works.

Too lazy to back read, but has anyone done a better job than me (hint: I generally make poop up and/or can't be bother to fact-check re: CBA stuff) at figuring out what the Leafs are going to need to do/how much for our RFAs?

Here's what Mirtle had earlier:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.000m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($1.083m) / Joe Colborne ($0.775m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Carl Gunnarsson ($2.800m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Cody Franson ($2.450m)
Mark Fraser ($0.750m) / Morgan Rielly ($1.744m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
Matt Frattin ($0.437m—0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m—0.1%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,943,333; BONUSES: $1,362,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $719,167


I think he's way low on Franson and Fraser and if so, we're (frank)ed unless we can move Liles.

Somebody said yesterday that we only get two buyouts (compliance or non-compliance) each year, but I can't confirm the non-compliance max; I've only seen the limit on compliance buyouts.
- gravyface

Blacker over Rielly saves 900k. And no way I want Reilly playing bottom pairing... rather he plays 30 mins a game in JR and goes to WJC again.

but ya Franson will be over $3M... Frazer should in the $800-950k range.

Too lazy to back read, but has anyone done a better job than me (hint: I generally make poop up and/or can't be bother to fact-check re: CBA stuff) at figuring out what the Leafs are going to need to do/how much for our RFAs?

Here's what Mirtle had earlier:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.000m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($1.083m) / Joe Colborne ($0.775m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Carl Gunnarsson ($2.800m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Cody Franson ($2.450m)
Mark Fraser ($0.750m) / Morgan Rielly ($1.744m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
Matt Frattin ($0.437m—0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m—0.1%)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,943,333; BONUSES: $1,362,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $719,167


I think he's way low on Franson and Fraser and if so, we're (frank)ed unless we can move Liles.

Somebody said yesterday that we only get two buyouts (compliance or non-compliance) each year, but I can't confirm the non-compliance max; I've only seen the limit on compliance buyouts.
- gravyface

i am honestly curious to see what Fraser gets.. i think its more about having a one way deal than anything.

i am honestly curious to see what Fraser gets.. i think its more about having a one way deal than anything.
- Dozzer

that's what was reported... and as I said above, seems odd. He'll never make it through waivers anyway, so why does Nonis care about having him on a 2-way deal?

Blacker over Reilly saves 900k. And no way I want Reilly playing bottom pairing... rather he plays 30 mins a game in JR and goes to WJC again.

but ya Franson will be over $3M... Frazer should in the $800-950k range.
- Big_Lightnin

rielly had 3 points in 16 games at the pro level last season

he's not ready.

why bother rushing a young PMD like that when you already have Gardiner Liles and to an extent Franson and Phaneuf on the back end?

it makes zero sense to burn up a year of his ELC

The leafs D needs some more stability.

send him back to jr, let him dominate, let him go to his second WJC.. and if his jr club doesnt move him to a playoff contender, bring him back up to the marlies for his second taste of pro life.

rielly had 3 points in 16 games at the pro level last season

he's not ready.

why bother rushing a young PMD like that when you already have Gardiner Liles and to an extent Franson and Phaneuf on the back end?

it makes zero sense to burn up a year of his ELC

The leafs D needs some more stability.

send him back to jr, let him dominate, let him go to his second WJC.. and if his jr club doesnt move him to a playoff contender, bring him back up to the marlies for his second taste of pro life.
- Dozzer

bingo
don't know what Mirtle is thinking actually... he usually knows better. Holzer will make the team over Blacker.

rielly had 3 points in 16 games at the pro level last season

he's not ready.

why bother rushing a young PMD like that when you already have Gardiner Liles and to an extent Franson and Phaneuf on the back end?

it makes zero sense to burn up a year of his ELC

The leafs D needs some more stability.

send him back to jr, let him dominate, let him go to his second WJC.. and if his jr club doesnt move him to a playoff contender, bring him back up to the marlies for his second taste of pro life.
- Dozzer

Hainsey still has not been signed... don't understand why we cant offer him a cheap contract

bingo
don't know what Mirtle is thinking actually... he usually knows better. Holzer will make the team over Blacker.
- Big_Lightnin

exactly.. some people arent looking at the defense as a whole

does blacker deserve a shot? yes, 100%

is he behind holzer on the depth chart? yes.. he is.

however a good camp could change that.

but rielly? thats just not gonna happen unless nonis makes a ton more moves before the end of the summer.

bingo
don't know what Mirtle is thinking actually... he usually knows better. Holzer will make the team over Blacker.
- Big_Lightnin

Blacker is 100 times better holzer is terrible

Hainsey still has not been signed... don't understand why we cant offer him a cheap contract
- Mapleleafs_91

because, as it stands right now.. its debatable that we have enough left to sign kadri franson gunnarsson and fraser

just getting those three inked with the 10 million left is going to be extremely close.

and i would of liked to have hainsey on board too.

good vet leadership.. nice outlet pass....

skates like a brick
- Dozzer

Think the same thing, UFA market is slim for stay at home defenseman and I don't know who is available for trade.. if anyone?

Hainsey still has not been signed... don't understand why we cant offer him a cheap contract
- Mapleleafs_91

Would have to be like a 2 yr, $3.5M deal max

i saw that lol.. and then kinda felt bad for typing that lol

sorry
- Dozzer

this lol post needs lol more lols.

Think the same thing, UFA market is slim for stay at home defenseman and I don't know who is available for trade.. if anyone?
- PatC80

like i mentioned earlier.. once the leafs sign fraser franson kadri and gunnar they will have to make trades to move salary out in order to bring someone else in.

bozak and clarkson put Nonis tight up against the cap in truth.

because, as it stands right now.. its debatable that we have enough left to sign kadri franson gunnarsson and fraser

just getting those three inked with the 10 million left is going to be extremely close.

and i would of liked to have hainsey on board too.
- Dozzer

(frank) we don't have enough



unless we trade liles away is the only option we really have left

this lol post needs lol more lols.
- CaptainK

you can never have too many!

Quoted from Mike's article:

"By filing for salary arbitration, Fraser’s representatives hope to force the Leafs into negotiating a one-way deal, but if the two parties go through the entire process, it is possible that the salary award could be more than Toronto is willing to pay and may result in the Leafs walking away from the award."