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Forums :: Blog World :: Richard Cloutier: Jagr, Hemsky, Gagner, Jones, Paajarvi, and other Rumors
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BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Jul 7 @ 3:39 AM ET
I'd rather see the PRV that showed up at the beginning of this year finishing he checks and getting the puck as a result, then taking it to the net. He went back to his finesse form after a few weeks and became less effective, taking the dreaded high 40 footer looking for a rebound that never came.

The Oil need some nasty... though other than the few weeks to start this shortened season, I've always thought PRV was too soft for what the Oil needed a guy his size to be.


BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Jul 7 @ 3:40 AM ET
9.20%*
- Oilers4Life14


You're getting into significant digits territory my friend... wars be fought there
BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Jul 7 @ 3:45 AM ET
Enzomatic
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Pegula for President, ON
Joined: 09.08.2012

Jul 7 @ 4:33 AM ET
no.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 7 @ 4:35 AM ET
That's what I meant. But I don't hink duby willl be here much longer unless he rips it this season
- Killbot460


miller won't be coming to edm this season, nor next season or after. next will be an oiler. he will focus on going to a a california state to be close to his wife's career location.

if dubnyk fails, just find another goalie. worry about that 25-40 games into the season.

oh jagr...
nayefj
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Colorado/Qatif, Saudi Arabia/القطيف
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jul 7 @ 5:15 AM ET
Prepare for the Erotic Adventures of Clouts and Laughs!

kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 7 @ 8:14 AM ET
they think
Eberle+7th+Dubey=Miller
Schultz+Klefbom=Vanek+Leino too.

some fans are so delusional here. Some TO fans suggested Gagner+7th overall for Phaneuf n some said too little.

amazing what overloving your team can do to your perception of player value

- TheNugeIsHuge


Why take the most extreme example of insanity and claim it to be an entire fanbases factual thinking?

Also, overloving your teams players is many an Oiler fans speciality.
Sabata
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.05.2007

Jul 7 @ 8:20 AM ET
Why take the most extreme example of insanity and claim it to be an entire fanbases factual thinking?

Also, overloving your teams players is many an Oiler fans speciality.

- kingcong39


Its a fan tendency not restricted to Oiler fans.

Its also easier to over value players that don't appear to have reached their potential to date.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 7 @ 8:21 AM ET
Sense we've got the vanek trade proposals going i thought i'd add in my two bits. Vanek is a guy i like a lot. Miller i do NOT want. So here what i propose and i admit i'm pretty bad at valueing players. Lets try and be reasonable here.

To Buf- pajaarvi, merencen, first round pick in 2014 and a second round pick in 2015 that becomes a first if the oilers make it to the conference semi-finals
to EDM- vanek and stafford

Over payment? Underpayment? Need different players? Maybe different stipulations for the second first round pick?

- deadsector


Interesting deal, but in that deal, you are taking on $11M in salary and only sending out maybe $1.5M (Paajarvi). Based on that, Hemsky would almost have to be going the other way?

Additionally, would you be willing to send Teemu Hartikainen instead of Paajarvi? He is more in line of what Buffalo is going for in terms of players.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 7 @ 8:21 AM ET
Its a fan tendency not restricted to Oiler fans.

Its also easier to over value players that don't appear to have reached their potential to date.

- Sabata


I agree, but to be fair the list of untouchables on your team according to many fans borders on the absurd.
heh49314
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Here, AB
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jul 7 @ 8:34 AM ET
I agree, but to be fair the list of untouchables on your team according to many fans borders on the absurd.
- kingcong39

You mean Cloutier. A most extreme example of a fan. Most sane fans on any team understand the difference between "untouchable" and an asset unlikely to be traded without a significant return. In the end, no team truly has untouchables.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 7 @ 9:03 AM ET
You mean Cloutier. A most extreme example of a fan. Most sane fans on any team understand the difference between "untouchable" and an asset unlikely to be traded without a significant return. In the end, no team truly has untouchables.
- heh49314


That last line is something any great GM fully understands but far too many do not.
Hemsky4Prez
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.06.2011

Jul 7 @ 9:06 AM ET
I'm not sure why we are talking about trading Dubnyk now.
MacT went out and got Labarbera to specifically back him up.
From what I read in his interview, the two have been training partners for 5 years now. You can't luck out any better than that on an ideal tandem.

Management is giving Dubnyk 1 year to prove himself as the bonafide starter, so let's speculate about this next spring instead.

I really wanted to see Hemsky and Jagr play together last year as it seemed like a logical fit, but i think MacT has burnt the bridge with Hemmer for a possible return. And to be honest, I really don't want Jagr and his 50 pound a$$ slowing us down !!!
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 7 @ 9:40 AM ET
Nobody wants Vanek and that terrible contract (you're welcome by the way). Ryan Miller has about as much value as Roberto Luongo. Even a goalie starved team in Philly balked at adding Miller.

You would have a better chance trading Leino than you would Vanek and or Miller. So all you Sabre fans can (frank) off and get back to fillating Grigorenko with Garth.

As for Stafford, he has as much value as Hemsky does. In fact I think he's just as lazy and useless as Dustin Penner.
MacT001
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 10.22.2012

Jul 7 @ 9:57 AM ET
Why not just offer them a first rounder + for Stewart
- Killbot460

I would love to see Stewart in an Oilers jersey MacT. St. Louis is in need to dump a contract for some cap space and Stewart fits your vision to a tee!

I have a question for the Montreal, Canucks, Toronto and Flame fans.

Why are you always commenting on Richards blog and who is reading it and writing respones for you?

My guess is that your team bloggers are dull, rarely have anything of value to say and you are closet Oiler fans!
GO OIL!!!
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
Sense we've got the vanek trade proposals going i thought i'd add in my two bits. Vanek is a guy i like a lot. Miller i do NOT want. So here what i propose and i admit i'm pretty bad at valueing players. Lets try and be reasonable here.

To Buf- pajaarvi, merencen, first round pick in 2014 and a second round pick in 2015 that becomes a first if the oilers make it to the conference semi-finals
to EDM- vanek and stafford

Over payment? Underpayment? Need different players? Maybe different stipulations for the second first round pick?

- deadsector


yes

stafford value is pretty much the same as hemsky, give or take little bits and pieces. vanek on the other hand has one year left. i would not acquire him unless edm is definitely going to be a playoff team next year...especially trading the 2014 first round pick which edm can possibly be on the bottom 10 again for draft.
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jul 7 @ 10:44 AM ET
Markov for Paajarvi.

Oh and go fock yourself MacT.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 7 @ 10:47 AM ET
Interesting deal, but in that deal, you are taking on $11M in salary and only sending out maybe $1.5M (Paajarvi). Based on that, Hemsky would almost have to be going the other way?

Additionally, would you be willing to send Teemu Hartikainen instead of Paajarvi? He is more in line of what Buffalo is going for in terms of players.

- kingcong39


i'd keep teemu for now. he's gone to khl to gain more experience and playing time. he will only grow as a better player with more experience under his belt considering his age. also the type of player edm is seeking for.
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jul 7 @ 10:47 AM ET
Why would Jagr go to EDM? He's 41...the guy wants be playing for a contender and a Cup...sorry but Jagr isn't looking to babysit kids at this point in his career.
- broadstreet11

So why did he sign with Dallas last year then?
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 7 @ 10:48 AM ET
Markov for Paajarvi.

Oh and go fock yourself MacT.

- soad_live


lol... why would we do that
heh49314
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Here, AB
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jul 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
lol... why would we do that
- Reveen

I was a little confused at first... thought you had said why would HE do that.(MacT (frank)ing himself.) First thought was "who doesn't?"
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Jul 7 @ 11:00 AM ET
She's hot, but in a jock sort of way. Not a rail. Reminds me of my friend MJ. Type that would punch you in the head, bed you, and drink all your scotch in a 15 minutes span.
- Maxbone



She could drink ALL MY SCOTCH in 14 minutes and 30 seconds?

Impressive.

Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 7 @ 11:08 AM ET
I was a little confused at first... thought you had said why would HE do that.(MacT (frank)ing himself.) First thought was "who doesn't?"
- heh49314


MacT like to go ATM on himself....
DrinkOil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Playoffs,Playoffs?!? I jus wanna win some games, AB
Joined: 06.19.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:21 AM ET
I'm not sure why we are talking about trading Dubnyk now.
MacT went out and got Labarbera to specifically back him up.
From what I read in his interview, the two have been training partners for 5 years now. You can't luck out any better than that on an ideal tandem.

Management is giving Dubnyk 1 year to prove himself as the bonafide starter, so let's speculate about this next spring instead.

I really wanted to see Hemsky and Jagr play together last year as it seemed like a logical fit, but i think MacT has burnt the bridge with Hemmer for a possible return. And to be honest, I really don't want Jagr and his 50 pound a$$ slowing us down !!!

- Hemsky4Prez



makes a lotta sense
vanlee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 05.10.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:25 AM ET
When you look at the right side for at least 10 teams Hemskey would be a very good upgrade. If you package Hemmer with say Paajarvi there is either a decent center or d man out there.
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