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ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jul 7 @ 10:52 PM ET
performing is scoring...and it is not like this uncommon with him. his sh% the year before was 4%. sounds like he has bad processes in his head and cannot focus.

Again. marchand doesn't seem to choke...some people perform when the pressure is on...seguin has not shown he is able to yet.

- OilHorse

Could fault also not be placed on his wingers and those on the ice with him for not capitalizing on rebounds that may have been created as a result of getting pucks to the net? Also, you are missing the important part of my post. The poopty special effects of this movie. They just flew a broad into space, its like minus 200 in space. Since when does touching superman give you his powers. (frank)ing bullpoop.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 7 @ 10:54 PM ET
blah blah blah...no offense but you can say the same for Hemmer...if he had someone elses stats he would be worth his 5M.

Arguements like that just don't hold water. and luck is just not tangible as a stat.

If Robbie Schremp didn't suk he woulda been an allstar.

Seguin just hasn't proven himself in the playoffs...even though he has been there. Look at Marchand, not as talented, but he performed in the playoffs every year.

- OilHorse


luck is a tangible stat. Why didn't eberle have a near PPG year this year? He had a 18.9 SH% last year and a 12.0 SH% this year.

SH%s fluctuate and usually average out at around 12-13%
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:10 PM ET
Could fault also not be placed on his wingers and those on the ice with him for not capitalizing on rebounds that may have been created as a result of getting pucks to the net? Also, you are missing the important part of my post. The poopty special effects of this movie. They just flew a broad into space, its like minus 200 in space. Since when does touching superman give you his powers. (frank)ing bullpoop.
- ruttager17


Not as much as it sits on him.

I was ignoring those comments...it wa sa bad movie and I find that going back and watching the movies I grew up with I see how bad they are FX wise to what is out now...I specifically stay away from SW 4-6 for that reason alone. I don't wanna ruin those moves...
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:11 PM ET
luck is a tangible stat. Why didn't eberle have a near PPG year this year? He had a 18.9 SH% last year and a 12.0 SH% this year.

SH%s fluctuate and usually average out at around 12-13%

- TheNugeIsHuge


How do you touch luck, how do you actually quantify luck. You can talk about it, but it is not something you can teach or practice. therefore not tangible.
CrustyRooster
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 05.22.2013

Jul 7 @ 11:13 PM ET
luck is a tangible stat. Why didn't eberle have a near PPG year this year? He had a 18.9 SH% last year and a 12.0 SH% this year.

SH%s fluctuate and usually average out at around 12-13%

- TheNugeIsHuge


Shooting percentage isn't all luck it's quality of shots. Eberle's percentage went down because of hand injuries his shot suffered. Stamkos has an amazing shot its why he is always near the top in percentages, he is accurate and fast. To say "if seguin had so and so's shooting percentage he'd be better than so and so" that's a stupid point because he didn't. If a player gets a ton of shots by weak writers from the blue line his shooting percentage is going to reflect that.

Tyler seguin wasn't playing good enough to get goals, obviously a bit of puck luck is involved but for the most part it is based on skill. A hungover un disciplined seguin is a sliver of what he should be. That's what caused his struggles, you get what you put in
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:14 PM ET
that is an insanely ignorant comment, man

"well, hall wasn't very good at the WHC. Bust"

- TheNugeIsHuge

what was ignorant about it?

If such and such did like so and so he would have been better is much more ignorant.

Plus I never said Seguin is a bust, so you can pull your head out of your ass on that.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 7 @ 11:17 PM ET
How do you touch luck, how do you actually quantify luck. You can talk about it, but it is not something you can teach or practice. therefore not tangible.
- OilHorse


you can measure shooting percentage fluctuation so you can measure puck luck. If Eberle's career average SH% is 14.4%, then he's having a lucky season at 18.9%. If seguin's career SH% is 10.5%, then when he has a 1.4% in the playoffs, he's having terrible luck

Stamkos is the best sniper in the game, so his SH% is around 19 every year.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 7 @ 11:21 PM ET
what was ignorant about it?

If such and such did like so and so he would have been better is much more ignorant.

Plus I never said Seguin is a bust, so you can pull your head out of your ass on that.

- OilHorse


you're the one that brought hemsky and schremp in to this.

I was using 'bust' to exaggerate the point to show how dumb you are to assume Seguin doesn't show up in the playoffs because he didn't score very much.

Cheechoo's a perfect example. High SH% causes 56 goal season. Now he's an AHLer
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:27 PM ET
you can measure shooting percentage fluctuation so you can measure puck luck. If Eberle's career average SH% is 14.4%, then he's having a lucky season at 18.9%. If seguin's career SH% is 10.5%, then when he has a 1.4% in the playoffs, he's having terrible luck

Stamkos is the best sniper in the game, so his SH% is around 19 every year.

- TheNugeIsHuge


or he was just sucking schlong...and that aint luck...that is him just being as queer as his twitter said he was.

Some can just say Ebs was just focused, or upped his game which unfortunately he wasn't able to maintain this year due to hand injury...

Doesn't mean it makes luck tangible.
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:29 PM ET
you're the one that brought hemsky and schremp in to this.

I was using 'bust' to exaggerate the point to show how dumb you are to assume Seguin doesn't show up in the playoffs because he didn't score very much.

Cheechoo's a perfect example. High SH% causes 56 goal season. Now he's an AHLer

- TheNugeIsHuge

YOU are the one that brought that line of argument in.

I just used my example to show how you are a potato counter, and one who still needs to use his fingers and toes to get to there.

Now that the name calling is done can you be an adult about discussions?
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 7 @ 11:32 PM ET
or he was just sucking schlong...and that aint luck...that is him just being as queer as his twitter said he was.

Some can just say Ebs was just focused, or upped his game which unfortunately he wasn't able to maintain this year due to hand injury...

Doesn't mean it makes luck tangible.

- OilHorse


alright bud. You can go on thinking sequin scored once on 70 shots because he sucks. I'll just stick to logic n facts.

if eberle ever has an above 16% SH% again I'll suck your Richard
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 7 @ 11:33 PM ET
YOU are the one that brought that line of argument in.

I just used my example to show how you are a potato counter, and one who still needs to use his fingers and toes to get to there.

Now that the name calling is done can you be an adult about discussions?

- OilHorse


I know. Never said you did. I said I used it to exaggerate the point to help you better understand where you're wrong. Obviously I was wrong. Seguin sucks. He can't score because he's not focused. His shot is weak from partying all day and he's a queer
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:37 PM ET
alright bud. You can go on thinking sequin scored once on 70 shots because he sucks. I'll just stick to logic n facts.

if eberle ever has an above 16% SH% again I'll suck your Richard

- TheNugeIsHuge

there is is no logic in thinking luck is tangible....ya know...fyi
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:39 PM ET
I know. Never said you did. I said I used it to exaggerate the point to help you better understand where you're wrong. Obviously I was wrong. Seguin sucks. He can't score because he's not focused. His shot is weak from partying all day and he's a queer
- TheNugeIsHuge



Now that you realize this you are able to move forward and be a better person. Good Luck...
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 7 @ 11:40 PM ET
there is is no logic in thinking luck is tangible....ya know...fyi
- OilHorse


abnormal shooting percentages. jump from 11 to 19 or 10 to 1.4.

I already agreed with you. Seguin doesn't score because he's a drunk queer who sucks at hockey
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 7 @ 11:46 PM ET
abnormal shooting percentages. jump from 11 to 19 or 10 to 1.4.

I already agreed with you. Seguin doesn't score because he's a drunk queer who sucks at hockey

- TheNugeIsHuge


Okay there guy.

Still has nothing to do with luck being quantifiable.

Luck in and of itself is a concept that is shortlived, streaky and irregular.

For anything longer term you can probably find actual reasons...like injuries, or poor attitude, or maybe outside influences in your personal life.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:49 AM ET
Seguin probably had bad puck luck in the playoffs, but I'd like to see a shot chart too.

If he found that he couldn't get in position to take high percentage shots for example, then that's on him.

If he did get into good positions and still missed a lot, then that's an indicator of perhaps an even GREATER potential for success with better puck luck.
heh49314
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Here, AB
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jul 8 @ 1:18 AM ET
abnormal shooting percentages. jump from 11 to 19 or 10 to 1.4.

I already agreed with you. Seguin doesn't score because he's a drunk queer who sucks at hockey

- TheNugeIsHuge

Wow, you guys totally played into the toronto fans hand. He managed to start one of the dumbest arguments I have seen in awhile. And I read on Hockey buzz quite a bit so that is saying something. And you were saying he is NOT a troll?
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