Came to an Oilers thread to rip on seguin, out of the blue, to compare him to kessel, then called your rebuttal a joke. Not sure how that is not trolling but ok.
- ruttager17

he was one of the tamer leaf fans so he was fine

Ahhh I see... He's a member of the lucky sperm club.
- laughs2907

Pretty much. Born into the right family. Was the president of Northland properties and Sandman hotels and Denny's so met him when I was a young lad back in the 90's working there and did a couple restaurant openings. Was actually a pretty nice guy from what I remember. Funny story. When opening a restaurant in Kamloops in 96, a girl from Newfieland, (just like you) was introducing herself with the new staff and he said "oh so your a Newfie eh" She said "you don't (frank)ing call us that, only people from Newfoundland can call other Newfies, Newfies". Guess he respected that cause he never had her fired, or killed or anything.

he was one of the tamer leaf fans so he was fine
- TheNugeIsHuge

Don't encourage them. Just because he isn't Systemtool, does not make it okay.

Don't encourage them. Just because he isn't Systemtool, does not make it okay.
- ruttager17

my standards are set so low for TO and BUF fans, I can hardly notice some trolls

Pretty much. Born into the right family. Was the president of Northland properties and Sandman hotels and Denny's so met him when I was a young lad back in the 90's working there and did a couple restaurant openings. Was actually a pretty nice guy from what I remember. Funny story. When opening a restaurant in Kamloops in 96, a girl from Newfieland, (just like you) was introducing herself with the new staff and he said "oh so your a Newfie eh" She said "you don't (frank)ing call us that, only people from Newfoundland can call other Newfies, Newfies". Guess he respected that cause he never had her fired, or killed or anything.
- ruttager17

(frank) those Newfies are the WORST!

my standards are set so low for TO and BUF fans, I can hardly notice some trolls
- TheNugeIsHuge

Understandable. Some people just want attention really, really badly. I admit it is why I troll clout's 14% of the time.

(frank) those Newfies are the WORST!
- laughs2907

Not sure if she knew who he really was, or even cared, but a hush went over the crowd. I had to have what she said translated cause I couldn't understand a word she was saying with that thick accent.

Okay bottom line guys we already have a million other threads kicking around for discussing the Kessel trade.

Let's get down to brass tacks: Why isn't Jonathan Cheechoo a 50 goal scorer for us?

Experience is experience. He has an objective view of what it is like, where as players who have never been in the playoffs, are completely subjective in their views and experience. How did he not get dirty? Because he didn't play dirty? It takes a team to win a cup, not individuals. Him being a part of that team that won, as well as the one that just lost in game 6, along with being with those guys and learning from veterans, makes his experience invaluable. It's not like he was a healthy scratch and didn't dress, but was simply on the roster.
- ruttager17

the guy had a free ride in his rookie year...other than one game was invisible and only played is 1/2 the games. So that year, yeah, healthy scratch, just on the roster for most of that playoff run.

This year, invisible again. He ain't a rookie now, and this is when he should have been showing his pedigree.

Some people rise to the occasion, experience or not. Seguin is not proving to be one of them and being so far down the line i wonder how much he actually has gotten out of those two long runs in the playoffs.

Okay bottom line guys we already have a million other threads kicking around for discussing the Kessel trade.

Let's get down to brass tacks: Why isn't Jonathan Cheechoo a 50 goal scorer for us?
- Morris

Because he can't skate

the guy had a free ride in his rookie year...other than one game was invisible and only played is 1/2 the games. So that year, yeah, healthy scratch, just on the roster for most of that playoff run.

This year, invisible again. He ain't a rookie now, and this is when he should have been showing his pedigree.

Some people rise to the occasion, experience or not. Seguin is not proving to be one of them and being so far down the line i wonder how much he actually has gotten out of those two long runs in the playoffs.
- OilHorse

Sooooo is your hate for Seguin because people still try to say he is better than hall, and was the clear winner of the Hall vs. Seguin debate of 2010? Cause obviously hall is better.

the guy had a free ride in his rookie year...other than one game was invisible and only played is 1/2 the games. So that year, yeah, healthy scratch, just on the roster for most of that playoff run.

This year, invisible again. He ain't a rookie now, and this is when he should have been showing his pedigree.

Some people rise to the occasion, experience or not. Seguin is not proving to be one of them and being so far down the line i wonder how much he actually has gotten out of those two long runs in the playoffs.
- OilHorse

seguin had 70 shots and 1 goal. He had bad puck luck. Scoring chances were all there. If he were shooting at Bickell's SH%, he'd have had 13G and 20P and outscored the conn smythe winner

Because he can't skate
- Reveen

I was gonna make it about race, but lets go with this instead.

The Gordon signing looks awfully similar to the Belanger signing. Too much money for a faceoff specialist. But Ference for that contract is fair. Nice signing! I think Paajarvi could score 30 goals in the future. He is not in his prime. He has the talent I think.

Theres no debate. Hall is better than Seguin. And Kessel is better then both of them.

I was gonna make it about race, but lets go with this instead.
- ruttager17

please.... let's hear the racial side

The Gordon signing looks awfully similar to the Belanger signing. Too much money for a faceoff specialist. But Ference for that contract is fair. Nice signing! I think Paajarvi could score 30 goals in the future. He is not in his prime. He has the talent I think.
- Smurfs-A-Joke

Gordon's quite the bottom 6 player and apparently will do anything to win. I don't think Belanger gave a sh*t most nights.

30G for MPS? Maybe on the right team/with the right line. I say he tops out at around 20G 45P, nothin wrong with that

Theres no debate. Hall is better than Seguin. And Kessel is better then both of them.
- Smurfs-A-Joke

Hall >>> Kessel

Theres no debate. Hall is better than Seguin. And Kessel is better then both of them.
- Smurfs-A-Joke

better offensively right now. I'd still take Seguin or Hall over him. Aiding that is Kessel's a year off from UFA n Hall n Seguin have good contracts

Gordon's quite the bottom 6 player and apparently will do anything to win. I don't think Belanger gave a sh*t most nights.

30G for MPS? Maybe on the right team/with the right line. I say he tops out at around 20G 45P, nothin wrong with that
- TheNugeIsHuge

I would assume that we're going to see a line with MPS / Gordon / Jones

better offensively right now. I'd still take Seguin or Hall over him. Aiding that is Kessel's a year off from UFA n Hall n Seguin have good contracts
- TheNugeIsHuge

Actually Hall was better offensively and defensivley

Because he can't skate
- Reveen

Well Hall can skate twice as well as we really NEED him to, so it balances out.

seguin had 70 shots and 1 goal. He had bad puck luck. Scoring chances were all there. If he were shooting at Bickell's SH%, he'd have had 13G and 20P and outscored the conn smythe winner
- TheNugeIsHuge

He played terrible.

better offensively right now. I'd still take Seguin or Hall over him. Aiding that is Kessel's a year off from UFA n Hall n Seguin have good contracts
- TheNugeIsHuge

Seguin has a good contract? He makes more than Kessel and produces much less.

not many 3rd liner wingers with 32P this year. He had 67P last year, it takes a special 19/20YO to do that. He's a natural centre, victim to there being 127 Cs in BOS. Wait til he's older than 21 to peg this as a win for TO

Kessel's a great player, one of the best in the league and I agree that Bozak drags him down but if presented with the choice of Seguin+Hamilton or Kessel, I'll take seguin+hamilton 9 times out of 10.

It's not a terrible trade as lots peg it to be, but BOS won it. Seguin's under appreciated because he barely scored in the playoffs (1 goal off 70 shots), so people ragged on him for being put in a role position
- TheNugeIsHuge

Oh but it was ok to call him a franchise player before he played a game?