then why keep vanek and miller

why
why
why
why
why

I can see it now, they both get season ending injuries week one

then the team is screwed when they walk for nothing
- navinrjohnson

Don't even joke about that
There's still plenty of time before the season starts
I'd think that plenty of teams are interested in Vanek
Miller will be tougher to move,
But still possible
If Philly & the Isles think their goaltending is "set" they're in for a rude awakening

You CANNOT take the chance he is injured at the deadline. If he walks for nothing it's a catastrophe for this team.
- Pierceme69

I need to be reminded how on earth it would be considered a catastrophe?

Freeing up the cap space alone would be worth it to me.

True,
But if we trade Vanek & Miller I think we will be pretty bad
Won't be able to score consistently
And even if Enroth does well, he'll also likely be inconsistent with it being his first year as a starter
- jdfitz77

Here's an idea... Miller and Vanek, packaged together with a second, to SJ or WAS, for a top-line producer (ie: Marleau or Backstrom).

Vanek - hodge - staff
Foligno - grigo - ennis
Ott - girgensons - leino
Tropp - porter - kaleta
Scott

Ehrhoff pysyk
Myers risto
Weber mcbain
Ruhwefel

If no risto then mcnabb
- MillerTime1130

Unless Stafford breaks out of his funk, maybe switch places with Ennis. I think Flynn replaces either Girgensons or Tropp. The D looks pretty spot on. Have a feeling Tropp may start out in Roch. to see how well his knee rehabbed.

then why keep vanek and miller

why
why
why
why
why

I can see it now, they both get season ending injuries week one

then the team is screwed when they walk for nothing
- navinrjohnson

Just look at it this way. Game 30 into season Philly is in last place. Panicing they will pay out the butt for Miller. Just gotta hope he is healthy! lol

True,
But if we trade Vanek & Miller I think we will be pretty bad
Won't be able to score consistently
And even if Enroth does well, he'll also likely be inconsistent with it being his first year as a starter
- jdfitz77

I think we were second worst in regulation wins last year and the hockey was almost unwatchable. I dont get our rebuild. A guy like Fillupa would have helped.
Look at Oilers there rebuild has taken forever and they are not close. Its just a bad
gm with no forsight about markets and trade value. Darcy you build with the draft fair trades and dabble in a few free agents and when u want to change the room u get rid of your vocal leaders. Not sit on your hands and talk about how hard the market place was.

Darcy needs to make a move where he could be perceived as losing a trade for once.
- Pierceme69

Well that sure is intelligent thinking.
Chances are, if the deals are that low now that they will be the exact same at the deadline when he will certainly be dealt, so why the rush?

Here's an idea... Miller and Vanek, packaged together with a second, to SJ or WAS, for a top-line producer (ie: Marleau or Backstrom).
- GzaGenius36

If we were doing that, I'd want it to be for somone young like Backstrom
Marleau is too old, and won't wanna stay here

not sure if it's discussed but that ottawa trade was gutsy but good for them. buf equivalent would probably be foligno + pysyk + a 1st. I would probably do that deal, would others?

This team is rebuilding. They are not gonna be good next season. Probably not the season after.
There is literally no reason to go into the year with Vanek or Miller. We need assets, not only do assets like draft picks help your prospect pool, they also help you aquire players via trade when you are ready to compete. Stockpile the 2nd round picks, if all you can get for Vanek is a prospect and a 14 1st, then take it.

If TJ Oshie and a 2nd is to high for Miller I wouldn't be rushing out and trading him either but that's just me. Not worried about Vanek, there will be lots of interest in him on a continued basis.
- BigStew

IMO, Oshie straight up would be too much for Miller.

I'd throw in a 2nd w/ Miller to get Oshie

I think we were second worst in regulation wins last year and the hockey was almost unwatchable. I dont get our rebuild. A guy like Fillupa would have helped.
Look at Oilers there rebuild has taken forever and they are not close. Its just a bad
gm with no forsight about markets and trade value. Darcy you build with the draft fair trades and dabble in a few free agents and when u want to change the room u get rid of your vocal leaders. Not sit on your hands and talk about how hard the market place was.
- hafgod

I hear ya
It's def frustrating
Let's just hope Miller & Vanek can be traded & we get something decent back
I'm def looking ahead 3years

IMO, Oshie straight up would be too much for Miller.

I'd throw in a 2nd w/ Miller to get Oshie
- RayHatesDomi

Oshie has missed over 80 games in his short career already, has never scored 20+ goals, never had 60 pts. Miller for Oshie is a win for St.Louis

IMO, Oshie straight up would be too much for Miller.

I'd throw in a 2nd w/ Miller to get Oshie
- RayHatesDomi

If that is what the value for Miller is now then you don't trade him. Oshie may turn out to be more than he is now but he's never scored 20 in a season and has only topped 40 points in a season once (I think anyway).

I hear ya
It's def frustrating
Let's just hope Miller & Vanek can be traded & we get something decent back
I'm def looking ahead 3years
- jdfitz77

It sucks being a season ticket holder and hear we are going to try and suck this year. After two years of no playoffs. Its sad but big bucks pegulla only good thing is the statue the team is worse now than along time

Oshie has missed over 80 games in his short career already, has never scored 20+ goals, never had 60 pts. Miller for Oshie is a win for St.Louis
- OneKaneOneCup

St. Louis already has 3 goalies. Not going to trade a good, young, low cap hit, fan favorite forward just entering his prime for a 4th goalie.

not sure if it's discussed but that ottawa trade was gutsy but good for them. buf equivalent would probably be foligno + pysyk + a 1st. I would probably do that deal, would others?
- FIREonICE

Not when our 1st is probably top 3 next year.

St. Louis already has 3 goalies. Not going to trade a good, young, low cap hit, fan favorite forward just entering his prime for a 4th goalie.
- Antilles

Enough said.

Darcy never makes that treade though. Darcy would never trade 2 top prospects and a 1st rd pick for a star player. He wouldn't do it. He doesn't have the stones.
- truthbluth

Since when is Bobby Ryan a star player?

This team is rebuilding. They are not gonna be good next season. Probably not the season after.
There is literally no reason to go into the year with Vanek or Miller. We need assets, not only do assets like draft picks help your prospect pool, they also help you aquire players via trade when you are ready to compete. Stockpile the 2nd round picks, if all you can get for Vanek is a prospect and a 14 1st, then take it.
- OneKaneOneCup

vanek can be traded at anytime. teams are interested in him regardless if its now or trade deadline. he's probably more valuable at deadline so i dont see him being moved now. miller on the other hand needs to be moved before the season. then again a team might hate their goaltending situation and make a move before november.

vanek can be traded at anytime. teams are interested in him regardless if its now or trade deadline. he's probably more valuable at deadline so i dont see him being moved now. miller on the other hand needs to be moved before the season. then again a team might hate their goaltending situation and make a move before november.
- joshs

And when the inevitable Vanek injury occurs right before the deadline because Darcy wanted to squeeze every ounce of value out of him, and he walks for free, all while helping us reach the 6-10 pick in the draft instead of 1-3, then we can again be thankful he "wins" all these trades

Oshie has missed over 80 games in his short career already, has never scored 20+ goals, never had 60 pts. Miller for Oshie is a win for St.Louis
- OneKaneOneCup

To me, Oshi is much more valuable. A young player on the rise. Miller to me, is somewhat overrated. He is coming off of consecutive mediocre seasons and he is on the wrong side of 30.

I think Miller is being overvalued by Darcy and by some fans. I think the rest of the league is showing us that

And when the inevitable Vanek injury occurs right before the deadline because Darcy wanted to squeeze every ounce of value out of him, and he walks for free, all while helping us reach the 6-10 pick in the draft instead of 1-3, then we can again be thankful he "wins" all these trades
- OneKaneOneCup

lolz

lolz
- joshs

Laugh now but we will be crying later

European players are never studs in the NHL.... they play soft Capt...... North American players yes... Europeans.... nope
- rapperray

That might be perhaps the most silly statement I have ever read on here.

The list of European players who were studs is so long it's unbelievable.