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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:12 AM ET
You sure its even that high?

He was ranked 37th last season and there are only 30 starting goalies.

- phillydentist


.909 his first season, .900 last season.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jul 5 @ 9:13 AM ET
.909 his first season, .900 last season.
- PLindbergh31


But the # of games is less for 2nd season so you can't just do a straight average of the two. That actually benefits his overall avg though.

I don't think Bryz is hard to replace if not upgraded on. He was truly mediocre in every way. Goaltending won't be an issue this season if the team defense holds up.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:13 AM ET
what do you guys think about trying to get grabovski for the right price...
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:14 AM ET
what do you guys think about trying to get grabovski for the right price...
- PhillaBully


No more centers, please.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:14 AM ET
what do you guys think about trying to get grabovski for the right price...
- PhillaBully

I think we need to shift our focus to d, and away from centres
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:15 AM ET
But the # of games is less for 2nd season so you can't just do a straight average of the two.
- phillydentist


It's somewhere north of .900. We are splitting hairs here. Does it matter if it's .905 or .904?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:15 AM ET
what do you guys think about trying to get grabovski for the right price...
- PhillaBully


Only if he promises to carve Crosby's eyeball out of his head with a high stick.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:15 AM ET
.909 his first season, .900 last season.
- PLindbergh31


He was in Mays Landing playing street hockey last weekend. Got a great buyout deal.
richiewinthecup
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: canada
Joined: 04.07.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:15 AM ET
Hmmm... if the idea is to only play Emery 20 games or so, I'm afraid his cap hit is going to be too high.
- PLindbergh31

I am not sure if mason has the mental focus to play 60 games.What he did last year means nothing to me,for me to believe he is a number 1 he needs to prove it.I do hope i am wrong.
ICUBB
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.03.2013

Jul 5 @ 9:17 AM ET
Holmgren blows it again. Giroux is certainly a nice player but who thinks that he would have been handed a sheet of 7yr/ 8.5m per year in his RFA year. I would have stuck it out and rolled the dice if I was the Flyers. While there would be a SLIGHT chance that a team would come back with that number or higher, it would mean that G had an all-star MVP type season to earn it. By doling out the money in advance you also set yourself up badly. WHAT IF? B. Schenn has a breakout year this year and puts up number close to G's, does that make Schenn a 8m/ year player too?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:17 AM ET
I agree. My only issue with Emery is if Mason does falter, can Emery handle a full work load with his hip condition.
- PLindbergh31


Dont most teams throughout the league face this issue in some regard whether it be injury, quality of the backup, etc. sometimes injuries just happen and there's little to no recourse in a cap world
PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:18 AM ET
I am the same exact way.. As soon as I read about Hall, I thought about Couts. Everyone else at the party was talking about Laughton going back...
- jak521


A $600k guy for 1 year is the definition of journeyman/depth guy, so I'm not at all worried about the Hall-signing itself will affect Coots or any other center. Sure it's still possible that Coots might get moved but it would be unrelated to the Hall-signing. And as Bill said, apparently Hall can play wing if necessary.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:19 AM ET
Holmgren blows it again. Giroux is certainly a nice player but who thinks that he would have been handed a sheet of 7yr/ 8.5m per year in his RFA year. I would have stuck it out and rolled the dice if I was the Flyers. While there would be a SLIGHT chance that a team would come back with that number or higher, it would mean that G had an all-star MVP type season to earn it. By doling out the money in advance you also set yourself up badly. WHAT IF? B. Schenn has a breakout year this year and puts up number close to G's, does that make Schenn a 8m/ year player too?
- ICUBB

Ill tel you right now, there would be 50 teams lined up to give G a huge contract had he made it to FA.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:19 AM ET
Holmgren blows it again. Giroux is certainly a nice player but who thinks that he would have been handed a sheet of 7yr/ 8.5m per year in his RFA year. I would have stuck it out and rolled the dice if I was the Flyers. While there would be a SLIGHT chance that a team would come back with that number or higher, it would mean that G had an all-star MVP type season to earn it. By doling out the money in advance you also set yourself up badly. WHAT IF? B. Schenn has a breakout year this year and puts up number close to G's, does that make Schenn a 8m/ year player too?
- ICUBB


Schenn wont get 8M per.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:19 AM ET
Right but Rosehill's contract still counts toward the 50 limit. Just unnecessary when you can call up a goon from the AHL.
- phillydentist



Rosehill is not just a goon. He can play on the 4th line, skates well, and is good on the forecheck. He is more of a Hockey player then he is a goon.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:20 AM ET
Big Powe fan. A lot of energy and hustle. I am a sucker for 3-4 line grinders/hustle players.
- Stinkfitz

so is Homer
richiewinthecup
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: canada
Joined: 04.07.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:20 AM ET
Dont most teams throughout the league face this issue in some regard whether it be injury, quality of the backup, etc. sometimes injuries just happen and there's little to no recourse in a cap world
- Just5
Whoever the flyers bring in will come with some issues.Emery's health is a concern.If they bring in Halak i think his attitude will be a concern of mine.Not to sure if Halak will be ok with sharing the net
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 5 @ 9:21 AM ET
Holmgren blows it again. Giroux is certainly a nice player but who thinks that he would have been handed a sheet of 7yr/ 8.5m per year in his RFA year. I would have stuck it out and rolled the dice if I was the Flyers. While there would be a SLIGHT chance that a team would come back with that number or higher, it would mean that G had an all-star MVP type season to earn it. By doling out the money in advance you also set yourself up badly. WHAT IF? B. Schenn has a breakout year this year and puts up number close to G's, does that make Schenn a 8m/ year player too?
- ICUBB

IF B Schenn has a breakout year then yes he'd be looking for a major upgrade. G isn't being overpaid. Particularly when you factor in his amazing play the last few seasons on his paltry cap hit.
I'm not upset with the deal. G's been proving he's an eilte player each and every season. Not just the last one. I like the fact he is getting a deal which reflects that.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:21 AM ET
What happens is the Flyers would be in the running for the 1st pick in the 2014 draft.
- BiggE

it will be a fun draft in Philly
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:22 AM ET
Dont most teams throughout the league face this issue in some regard whether it be injury, quality of the backup, etc. sometimes injuries just happen and there's little to no recourse in a cap world
- Just5


if there wasn't a question mark with the starter, then having a backup with injury concerns isn't a huge deal. Since Mason is an uncertainty it makes the backup very important.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:22 AM ET
Holmgren blows it again. Giroux is certainly a nice player but who thinks that he would have been handed a sheet of 7yr/ 8.5m per year in his RFA year. I would have stuck it out and rolled the dice if I was the Flyers. While there would be a SLIGHT chance that a team would come back with that number or higher, it would mean that G had an all-star MVP type season to earn it. By doling out the money in advance you also set yourself up badly. WHAT IF? B. Schenn has a breakout year this year and puts up number close to G's, does that make Schenn a 8m/ year player too?
- ICUBB


See Weber Shea Weber....You lock up your talent as fast you can. His cap hit is market value.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:22 AM ET
Man, you are a double talker. In the same post you say to look at the salary and not the cap hit and later proceed to give an example that is a cap hit.
- phillydentist


My example showed how a player's cap hit, can be misleading. There is no double talk if you looked at the example and saw what I was alluding to. And actually looked at Parise's contract.

I have a question. If salaries aren't escalating, why was there a lockout? Why did we have a shortened 48 game Season?
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 5 @ 9:23 AM ET
So does the fun get started at noon? (ET)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:23 AM ET
But it absolutely has... the only problem is that the cap has changed things. Terms have been stretched and GM's have found ways to spread things out.

Right now I could probably (off hand) think of about 30 players that are making north of 6 mill per season on long term deals. 10 years ago, guys didnt need to worry about 8 year deals because they could sign a contract for whatever the GM decided to pay them. The cap changed that.

So instead of seeing individual players getting 12 million dollar contracts, you are seeing a huge jump in guys getting long term high dollar deals.

- jak521



Players like Christian Erhoff, Tyler Myers, Bryzgalov have received $10m Salaries. Weber is getting paid $14M. But salaries are not escalating.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:24 AM ET
if there wasn't a question mark with the starter, then having a backup with injury concerns isn't a huge deal. Since Mason is an uncertainty it makes the backup very important.
- PLindbergh31

expect alot of 6-5 games with these goalies and D
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