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Cheech in Texas
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Spring, TX
Joined: 07.28.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:34 AM ET
I personally hope they do sign Clarkson (even if over payment).
BUT right at 11:01AM ET

Train of thought being other UFA'S that are undecided might bite if McT wants them.

Nystrom out of Dallas would be another cheaper option.
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:36 AM ET
I personally hope they do sign Clarkson (even if over payment).
BUT right at 11:01AM ET

Train of thought being other UFA'S that are undecided might bite if McT wants them.

Nystrom out of Dallas would be another cheaperer option.

- Cheech in Texas


Clarkson Nuge Eberle has perfect written all over it but at 6 mill I think I pass. Look for a trade. If it's 7 years at 5 mill, I'm okay. Maybe we get 3 good years, 1 solid and then swear at him for the last 3 years.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 5 @ 9:40 AM ET
Clarkson Nuge Eberle has perfect written all over it but at 6 mill I think I pass. Look for a trade. If it's 7 years at 5 mill, I'm okay. Maybe we get 3 good years, 1 solid and then swear at him for the last 3 years.
- ystoil


i veto the 7yrs. too long. 3-5 years at $5m per max or look elsewhere. i really hope mac-t does not overpay. edm needs that gritty left wingers, but i forbid paying $5.5m per for him. i personally think lucic is even overpaid.
Cheech in Texas
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Spring, TX
Joined: 07.28.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:40 AM ET
Clarkson Nuge Eberle has perfect written all over it but at 6 mill I think I pass. Look for a trade. If it's 7 years at 5 mill, I'm okay. Maybe we get 3 good years, 1 solid and then swear at him for the last 3 years.
- ystoil



5.5M for 5 years
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:42 AM ET
I don't know about that. I'd need to see some stats to back that up
- TheNugeIsHuge


When he played on the right with Hall and Gagner is when he went on that point tear in the last month.

You can say that is more to do with Hall, but it is no coincidence he was playing the position he was most comfortable with either.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:44 AM ET
Good deal I guess. Larsen could be a minute eater in the future. Moves the puck pretty well despite not being offensively talented.

Allows us to move on from Nick Schultz at the end of this year if we so choose.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:45 AM ET
Good luck to Horcoff!
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 5 @ 9:46 AM ET
Good deal I guess. Larsen could be a minute eater in the future. Moves the puck pretty well despite not being offensively talented.

Allows us to move on from Nick Schultz at the end of this year if we so choose.

- Morris


if edm can move him today, go for it.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 5 @ 9:55 AM ET
5.5M for 5 years
- Cheech in Texas


a few others i'd look at for 2nd left winger: latendresse, pouliot, stalberg, wild card: joensuu

anyone think malholtra still have what it takes to be a 3c? ideally gordon would be my pick.

skille or nodl for 3rd/4th line right wingers.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:56 AM ET
FACT ATTACK:

No NHL Oilers Captain has ever retired with the franchise.
orcoff- Traded
Moreau - bought out
Smith - traded
Weight - traded
Buchberger - unprotected in Expansion draft
Corson - signed with blues as free agent
MacTavish - traded
Lowe - Traded
Messier - traded
Gretzky - traded
Fogolin - traded *
MacDonald - traded
Chipperfield - traded **
Shmyr - traded
Sather - retired with WHA Oilers after a long NHL career
Hamilton - retired with WHA oilers

* Fogolin was close, but he played 9 games with his first team, the sabres, to finish his career (obviously he wanted to retire there)

** Chipperfield left for Italy after his NHL days were through. He played only 16 NHL games between leaving Edmonton and retiring
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:57 AM ET
if edm can move him today, go for it.
- deks1

especially if they could sign Ference!

Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:59 AM ET
Team as of right now:

Hall-Nuge-Ebs
XXX-Gagner-Yakupov
MPS-XXX-Hemsky
Smyth-XXX-Brown

Schultz-Schultz
Smid-Petry
two of Belov/Larsen/Klefbom/Potter

Dubnyk
XXXX
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 5 @ 10:00 AM ET
FACT ATTACK:

No NHL Oilers Captain has ever retired with the franchise.
orcoff- Traded
Moreau - bought out
Smith - traded
Weight - traded
Buchberger - unprotected in Expansion draft
Corson - signed with blues as free agent
MacTavish - traded
Lowe - Traded
Messier - traded
Gretzky - traded
Fogolin - traded *
MacDonald - traded
Chipperfield - traded **
Shmyr - traded
Sather - retired with WHA Oilers after a long NHL career
Hamilton - retired with WHA oilers

* Fogolin was close, but he played 9 games with his first team, the sabres, to finish his career (obviously he wanted to retire there)

** Chipperfield left for Italy after his NHL days were through. He played only 16 NHL games between leaving Edmonton and retiring

- Morris

I honestly don't know, but how common is it? I mean seems quite normal for guys to pass the letter on or get dealt nowadays. Especially considering it's taboo to have grinders has captains nowadays.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jul 5 @ 10:02 AM ET
especially if they could sign Ference!


- Morris


ference would be great. i'd inquire about gill, j.schultz, and blum as well. scuderi seem to be heading back to pitts or being overpaid.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:05 AM ET
I honestly don't know, but how common is it? I mean seems quite normal for guys to pass the letter on or get dealt nowadays. Especially considering it's taboo to have grinders has captains nowadays.
- Lahey

I think it's moreso the fact that a Legacy team like the Oilers had guys like Lowe, Messier, Gretzky and even king of the grinders MacT wear the C and none of them retired with us. Crazy to have such an old-boys club too when none of these guys were lifers.

Red Wings had Yzerman and Lidstrom. Avs had Sakic. I suppose the Stars moved on from Modano, but you'd figure we'd have one. Horcoff was probably our best chance for a while.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 5 @ 10:06 AM ET
Team as of right now:

Hall-Nuge-Ebs
XXX-Gagner-Yakupov
MPS-XXX-Hemsky
Smyth-XXX-Brown

Schultz-Schultz
Smid-Petry
two of Belov/Larsen/Klefbom/Potter

Dubnyk
XXXX

- Morris

Something has to give on defense. Then again I guess Klefbom to OKC and Potter on waivers clears up the issue.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:07 AM ET
Something has to give on defense. Then again I guess Klefbom to OKC and Potter on waivers clears up the issue.
- Lahey

Yeah especially because we still need to improve our top 6. I don't think you bring a guy over from Russia if you're not planning on at least playing him bottom pairing. Could Larsen start the year in OKC?
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 5 @ 10:07 AM ET
I think it's moreso the fact that a Legacy team like the Oilers had guys like Lowe, Messier, Gretzky and even king of the grinders MacT wear the C and none of them retired with us. Crazy to have such an old-boys club too when none of these guys were lifers.

Red Wings had Yzerman and Lidstrom. Avs had Sakic. I suppose the Stars moved on from Modano, but you'd figure we'd have one. Horcoff was probably our best chance for a while.

- Morris

Meh, I'm okay with that tradition going on. I didn't want Moreau to retire here or Horcoff. Now Taylor Hall is a different story.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 5 @ 10:08 AM ET
Yeah especially because we still need to improve our top 6. I don't think you bring a guy over from Russia if you're not planning on at least playing him bottom pairing. Could Larsen start the year in OKC?
- Morris

I'd have to take a look at when he signed his contract and use that (frank)ing waiver chart. I know he hasn't played the 160 games, but he might've used the years up.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:11 AM ET
Meh, I'm okay with that tradition going on. I didn't want Moreau to retire here or Horcoff. Now Taylor Hall is a different story.
- Lahey

I suppose in a league where Iggy and Alfie don't retire with their teams, it's not such a big deal

I'd love to see Hall be that first one!
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 5 @ 10:21 AM ET
Meh, I'm okay with that tradition going on. I didn't want Moreau to retire here or Horcoff. Now Taylor Hall is a different story.
- Lahey


If Hall gets the "C", does Nail get #10 ?
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Jul 5 @ 10:26 AM ET
If Hall gets the "C", does Nail get #10 ?
- Reveen



Oh we know Yaks will be wearing #10 now- UNLESS we pull a Vancouver and give Horcoffs name and number to the rafters like Trevor Linden Not that I am comparing the 2 but it is somewhat simliar and funny....

oh ya- #EbsforCaptain
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 5 @ 10:32 AM ET
Oh we know Yaks will be wearing #10 now- UNLESS we pull a Vancouver and give Horcoffs name and number to the rafters like Trevor Linden Not that I am comparing the 2 but it is somewhat simliar and funny....

oh ya- #EbsforCaptain

- saskoil21


Cloutier will write a blog on how he called Nail getting #10......

I love how Mr. Duckface keeps acting like he's some kind of insider. I also find it revolting that Lowetide has stooped to rubbing elbows with Tricky Dick Cloutier.
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Jul 5 @ 10:32 AM ET
I still cant believe MacT pulled off that heist!!!!! In(frank)ingcredible
heh49314
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Here, AB
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jul 5 @ 10:32 AM ET
Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
#Oilers receive 2016 7th round pick & D Philip Larsen from the #DallasStars in exchange for Shawn Horcoff | DETAILS > http://ow.ly/mFSQy
Also giving up Hamilton in the deal.
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