Not one example. Do your research. The year before, Boston had only 4 players with 20 or more goals. 4 isn't a top 6. LA, as pointed out, had only 3. That isn't top 6. The Pens also didnt have 6 players with 20 or more goals. Only 4. Chicago was the only of the 4 teams mentioned that had 6. Which proves the exception and not the rule.

This is in awhile ago. 19 goal scorers are 2nd liners, its not opinion, its pretty much common knowledge. You dont have to accept it, just dont be a douche and deny it.
- systemtool

i'm blown away with the levels of (frank)ing sheer douchebaggery you'll strive for when someone has a different opinion than you.

i consider players with 30 goal potential to be 2nd liners. not players with a career 19 goal CEILING.

I hope Clarkson doesn't sign with EDM

i think we could see some more trades tommorow? Maybe Coburn? Edler?

i guess that makes clarke macarthur your every day 2nd liner in the nhl right? stahlberg? come on..
- joel878

Stahlberg was playing 1st line for a while this year (briefly). Mac was a 2nd liner and 2nd PP when he scored 20G or more.

but I guess next you'll tell us 60+ points isn't 2nd line numbers either?

i think we could see some more trades tommorow? Maybe Coburn? Edler?
- Jurco_28

I think that the Grabo buyout is precursor to something....


Don't know what, but something is afoot...

i'm blown away with the levels of (frank)ing sheer douchebaggery you'll strive for when someone has a different opinion than you.

i consider players with 30 goal potential to be 2nd liners. not players with a career 19 goal CEILING.
- joel878

Again, this is about being factual. Its not about opinion. You got proven wrong by facts and are now resorting to vaginahood to over come your short comings by acting like this is personal. You're wrong, we all know it.

Players who can score 30 goals are first liners and a rare breed. You will find very very few players who play in this league and score 30 goals on the second line. You're delusional. Go to sleep.

fine...

but your opinion seems to be that MOST teams, and ALL good teams have no fewer than 6 players scoring 20G or more.

Right? since 19G average is not 2nd line production...
- Big_Lightnin

my opinion is that david clarkson and his 19 goal ceiling are not worth 5+ million a season. that's the bottom line.

he's 2 seasons removed from 12 goals. tell me more about second liners.

Stahlberg was playing 1st line for a while this year (briefly). Mac was a 2nd liner and 2nd PP when he scored 20G or more.

but I guess next you'll tell us 60+ points isn't 2nd line numbers either?
- Big_Lightnin

60 points? You're barely a 4th liner in this league.

i'm blown away with the levels of (frank)ing sheer douchebaggery you'll strive for when someone has a different opinion than you.

i consider players with 30 goal potential to be 2nd liners . not players with a career 19 goal CEILING.
- joel878

you watching hockey in 1987 or something

only once in the last 5 years have at least 30 forwards scored 30G or more.

and it was like 36

i think we could see some more trades tommorow? Maybe Coburn? Edler?
- Jurco_28

In my fantasy, Nonis is working on a blockbuster for Coburn + BSchenn/Couturier.

Gunnarsson, Kulemin, a first, and a defense prospect.

Again, this is about being factual. Its not about opinion. You got proven wrong by facts and are now resorting to vaginahood to over come your short comings by acting like this is personal. You're wrong, we all know it.

Players who can score 30 goals are first liners and a rare breed. You will find very very few players who play in this league and score 30 goals on the second. You're delusional. Go to sleep.
- systemtool

man, you're a (frank)ing Richard. you really are though.

allright, whatever. this is a complete sidetrack from my point, but that's cool. if i'm going to take the loss and call 19 goals a 2nd line player, david clarkson has been a 2nd liner once in his career.

your bottom line is completely non existent.

Stahlberg was playing 1st line for a while this year (briefly). Mac was a 2nd liner and 2nd PP when he scored 20G or more.

but I guess next you'll tell us 60+ points isn't 2nd line numbers either?
- Big_Lightnin

0-20 = 4th line
20-40 = 3rd line
40-60 = 2nd line
60+ = 1st line

Not always true, but it's fairly accurate.

my opinion is that david clarkson and his 19 goal ceiling are not worth 5+ million a season. that's the bottom line.

he's 2 seasons removed from 12 goals. tell me more about second liners.
- joel878

fine...

Clarkson has already proven his ceiling is significantly higher than 19 goals...

severe leg injury preventing him from training the summer prior to that 12G season surely had no effect on his play. Merely coincidence his numbers were significantly lower than his pace every other year in the league aside from his rookie season.

you watching hockey in 1987 or something

only once in the last 5 years have at least 30 forwards scored 30G or more.

and it was like 36
- Big_Lightnin

i guess my point is that we're treating 19 like it's his average output, when clarkson has eclipsed it literally once in his career. forgot the he could have, and the on pace.. he's eclipsed it once in his career.

that's what i'm trying to say. a player with a 19 goal ceiling, his career average is actually closer to 15 goals a season. without throwing in hypotheticals.. that's fact looks like.

that to me, is a 3rd line player.

man, you're a (frank)ing Richard. you really are though.

allright, whatever. this is a complete sidetrack from my point, but that's cool. if i'm going to take the loss and call 19 goals a 2nd line player, david clarkson has been a 2nd liner once in his career.

your bottom line is completely non existent.
- joel878

Im a Richard and you're a vagina (you really are though).. guess how babies are made?

fine...

Clarkson has already proven his ceiling is significantly higher than 19 goals...

severe leg injury preventing him from training the summer prior to that 12G season surely had no effect on his play. Merely coincidence his numbers were significantly lower than his pace every other year in the league aside from his rookie season.
- Big_Lightnin

Clarkson to leafs or sens.

Im a Richard and you're a vagina (you really are though).. guess how babies are made?
- systemtool

a stork delivers them. duh

fine...

Clarkson has already proven his ceiling is significantly higher than 19 goals...

severe leg injury preventing him from training the summer prior to that 12G season surely had no effect on his play. Merely coincidence his numbers were significantly lower than his pace every other year in the league aside from his rookie season.
- Big_Lightnin

Its late and he's wrong and we're getting low on tissues. Let the guy go to sleep thinking second liners score 30 goals.

Big day tomorrow, lots of crying to do for the rest of us.

Im a Richard and you're a vagina (you really are though).. guess how babies are made?
- systemtool

Get a room, boys.

a stork delivers them. duh
- Jurco_28

To Canadian Tire?

fine...

Clarkson has already proven his ceiling is significantly higher than 19 goals...

severe leg injury preventing him from training the summer prior to that 12G season surely had no effect on his play. Merely coincidence his numbers were significantly lower than his pace every other year in the league aside from his rookie season.
- Big_Lightnin

yeah. you ca have your hypotheticals all day long. signing big time contracts based on them is foolish.

well ville leino put up x amount of points on phillys third line. if he had better minutes with better players his numbers are even better. that statement is not to different than he could have done this without injury, without playing in a defensive system, blah blah. ask buffalo how that logic pans out.

i guess my point is that we're treating 19 like it's his average output, when clarkson has eclipsed it literally once in his career. forgot the he could have, and the on pace.. he's eclipsed it once in his career.

that's what i'm trying to say. a player with a 19 goal ceiling, his career average is actually closer to 15 goals a season. without throwing in hypotheticals.. that's fact looks like.

that to me, is a 3rd line player.
- joel878

2 of those seasons only had 46 and 48 games in them. one was shortened by the league, the other was shortened by a broken leg.

and he scored 17G playing 12 mins a game as a sophomore.

Its late and he's wrong and we're getting low on tissues. Let the guy go to sleep thinking second liners score 30 goals.

Big day tomorrow, lots of crying to do for the rest of us.
- systemtool

Here, I'll start...

Get a room, boys.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Im out. Long day tomorrow coming up. Should be crazy.

Its late and he's wrong and we're getting low on tissues. Let the guy go to sleep thinking second liners score 30 goals.

Big day tomorrow, lots of crying to do for the rest of us.
- systemtool

If Leafs sign Clarkson tomorrow he will be buying his Jersey before Christmas, guaranteed.