Ya that was my hope as well, however, Grabo was bought out.

Sooo, I'm assuming Nonis is signing Weiss tomorrow. either that, or something off the board with a big trade.
- Big_Lightnin

Something tells me im going to be a rather grumpy fellow by tomorrow night..

I'd rather they keep the money and go on with our youth instead of paying UFAs who won't make much difference. We need a top tier 1C and a stay at home Dman. So let's hope we get someone for the Lups and Kess line that is good and for a good price. I say they make a deal with Dallas and bring Seguin here even if it means parting with Rielly or Gardiner and a pick .
- TML4Life85

wut

Its absurd to think you're signing Clarkson for his goal totals alone, when he can do a lot more than MacArthur away from the puck.
- systemtool

i'll say it again.

i'm not signing clarkson for his goal totals alone, but without them he's nothing that can't be found for 2-3 mil. without them, matt freaking cooke may bring just as much to the table. smart idea to lock matt cooke up for that kind of money?

Whoa
- As_I_See_It

Putting the wussy on a pedestal

I'd rather they keep the money and go on with our youth instead of paying UFAs who won't make much difference. We need a top tier 1C and a stay at home Dman. So let's hope we get someone for the Lups and Kess line that is good and for a good price. I say they make a deal with Dallas and bring Seguin here even if it means parting with Rielly or Gardiner and a pick .
- TML4Life85

Okay. Fancy.

Something tells me im going to a rather grumpy fellow by tomorrow night..
- systemtool

yep.. altho it wouldnt be any different than any other night

Carlyle had better options. And Grabo rarely, if ever, played the fourth line. Don't buy his petulant whining.

Bozak played his system and there was no way Kadri could be put behind Grabovski the way they were playing.

Carlyle asked Grabo to be a checker because that's what we needed. If anyone blew it, it was Grabovski who got it in his head that he was entitled to top line minutes just because he was being paid as a top line player.

Grabo couldn't do anything in that role. I guess it wasn't meant to be.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Grabo was suited for 2nd line duty. You don't turn a point getter into a checker over night. This team was better with him in the lineup playing 2C not 3rd. If the issue was getting Kadri more minutes then move him to the top line and don't resign Bozak. The guy was all heart and you are telling me all the sudden he just quit. Come on.

i'll say it again.

i'm not signing clarkson for his goal totals alone, but without them he's nothing that can't be found for 2-3 mil. without them, matt freaking cooke may bring just as much to the table. smart idea to lock matt cooke up for that kind of money?
- joel878

You're on some other level tonight. I dont think you know up from down, knee from elbow. Sleep it off.

this just plain isn't true.

3 in 7 games
9 in 81 games
17 in 82 games
11 in 46 games
12 in 82 games
30 in 80 games
15 in 48 games

at one point has clarkson been a 25 goal scorer when healthy. before he broke his leg he was on pace for 18.

there's zero evidence to suggest he would have even hit that this season considering after the first month of the season, grabovski outscored him.

it's absurd to give a guy that kind of money to hit and fight, when someone as average as clarke macarthur typically is more of an offensive threat
- joel878

I said average of 25G per season pace in 3 of last 4 seasons
11 in 46 is 23G pace
30 in 80 is 30G pace
15 in 48 is 25G pace.

average that... it's OVER 25 goal pace in those 3 seasons.

Guess what, Grabo outscored Kessel the first month of the season.

You're on some other level tonight. I dont think you know up from down, knee from elbow. Sleep it off.
- systemtool

4th of july, hes drunk

Something tells me im going to be a rather grumpy fellow by tomorrow night..
- systemtool

If they sign Weiss and not Clarkson I'm gonna be pissed.

I like how you keep saying this in the face of evidence to the contrary. He's scored at an average 25G pace 3 of the last 4 seasons. Could argue 4 of the last 5 actually, since 08-09 his 2nd year in the league he scored 17G playing 12 mins a game as a sophomore.

He's a goal scorer who also plays with grit. he's not a grinder who scored a few goals.
- Big_Lightnin

i love how you keep saying 25 goal pace, despite evidence to the contrary.

at no point other than one season he ecipsed 25 goals, has he been on a 25 goal pace.

people are dying for him to be something he's not, because there's nothing else that fits the power forward mould.

david clarkson has been a 'goal scorer' at one point in his career. it's false to label him that type of player outside of that season.

Okay. Fancy.
- systemtool

It's time they get Kessel a proper top notch centre. Sure he doesn't need one as he's played with Bozak all this time. But a true 1st line centre with size and skills will make this team better. No? If they are going to give Bozie 4.5 mill or whatever he's asking then buying out Grabo was a stupid move.

It's time they get Kessel a proper top notch centre. Sure he doesn't need one as he's played with Bozak all this time. But a true 1st line centre with size and skills will make this team better. No? If they are going to give Bozie 4.5 mill or whatever he's asking then buying out Grabo was a stupid move.
- TML4Life85

u think dallas would trade seguin after just getting him..

If they sign Weiss and not Clarkson I'm gonna be pissed.
- Big_Lightnin

Well they might sign one or the other but I am with you on this one.

Grabo was suited for 2nd line duty. You don't turn a point getter into a checker over night. This team was better with him in the lineup playing 2C not 3rd. If the issue was getting Kadri more minutes then move him to the top line and don't resign Bozak. The guy was all heart and you are telling me all the sudden he just quit. Come on.
- TML4Life85

Yes, Grabo was suited to second line duty. No disagreement.

Kadri simply stole his spot. He earned it. The problem is that we have too many 2nd line centers as it is and the other guys can at least perform other roles well, so Grabo goes.

Any contender puts the system before the individual.

u think dallas would trade seguin after just getting him..
- Jurco_28

You never know. I said couple of days ago that Seguin was going to get traded right after Chiarelli criticised him and people said no way. Look what happened. All it takes is a good package to get someone.

does grabo play wing?

he would look good on malkin's wing.

If they sign Weiss and not Clarkson I'm gonna be pissed.
- Big_Lightnin

They never trade for/sign any of the guys I want. Its always a "who?" or "what the (frank)?" moments on UFA and Trade Deadline Days.

We shall vent together, most likely.

Yes, Grabo was suited to second line duty. No disagreement.

Kadri simply stole his spot. He earned it. The problem is that we have too many 2nd line centers as it is and the other guys can at least perform other roles well, so Grabo goes.

Any contender puts the system before the individual.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I agree with you but again who are they going to put between Kessel and Lupul. I would rather have retained Grabo over Bozak or Weiss and move Kadri up there to the top line. I hope Nonis has better plans.

i love how you keep saying 25 goal pace, despite evidence to the contrary.

at no point other than one season he ecipsed 25 goals, has he been on a 25 goal pace.

people are dying for him to be something he's not, because there's nothing else that fits the power forward mould.

david clarkson has been a 'goal scorer' at one point in his career. it's false to label him that type of player outside of that season.
- joel878

Horton fits that mold.

I'm actually a little surprised that people are so high on Clarkson with Horton out there. Hell, even Clowe (who will come cheapest of all).

I said average of 25G per season pace in 3 of last 4 seasons
11 in 46 is 23G pace
30 in 80 is 30G pace
15 in 48 is 25G pace.

average that... it's OVER 25 goal pace in those 3 seasons.

Guess what, Grabo outscored Kessel the first month of the season.
- Big_Lightnin

you're bending stats to prove a point.

23 is not 25.

i already gave you the 30 goal season.

when you spend the last 2/3 of the season scoring 5 goals, odds are if it's a full season, you don't even hit 20.

you guys are entitled to your opinion.

my side of the fence is that there are few moves who have been historically worse than signing guys with average career 3rd line production, and paying them like their first liners. throwing some sandpaper on it doesn't change that. it's dependable. those contracts end bad near 100% of the time.

that may be the one part of this discussion that isn't speculation.

i love how you keep saying 25 goal pace, despite evidence to the contrary.

at no point other than one season he ecipsed 25 goals, has he been on a 25 goal pace.

people are dying for him to be something he's not, because there's nothing else that fits the power forward mould.

david clarkson has been a 'goal scorer' at one point in his career. it's false to label him that type of player outside of that season.
- joel878

I just gave you the evidence... again.

and even if you want to go straight by every goal he's scored in every game he's played...

97 goals in 426 NHL games - that's an average of 19G per season. And he only scored 9G his rookie year in a full season, which generally you can throw out of the averages since he obviously improved since then.

19G pace per season over a career is NOT 3rd line production, no matter how many times you want to say it.

you're bending stats to prove a point.

23 is not 25.

i already gave you the 30 goal season.

when you spend the last 2/3 of the season scoring 5 goals, odds are if it's a full season, you don't even hit 20.

you guys are entitled to your opinion.

my side of the fence is that there are few moves who have been historically worse than signing guys with average career 3rd line production, and paying them like their first liners. throwing some sandpaper on it doesn't change that. it's dependable. those contracts end bad near 100% of the time.

that may be the one part of this discussion that isn't speculation.
- joel878

Average and Pace... 2 important words in the conversation.

Horton fits that mold.

I'm actually a little surprised that people are so high on Clarkson with Horton out there. Hell, even Clowe (who will come cheapest of all).
- Leeman4Gilmour

Horton seems to want to go to a smaller market, plus his concussions/injuries worry me. He also seems like he would be the most expensive.

Clowe to me is too risky. Brutal year, and how much of his success was because of big joe, Patty M and Couture?