No successful business does lose money. Costs do drive prices as well. Regardless of your stance on business, we do pay the Leafs salaries.
- MapleLeafsFTW

No, MLSE pays salaries. We pay MLSE.

How they determine their prices has nothing to do with their costs. Tickets in Phoenix are 20 bucks with free parking and a beer, despite their payroll being in the tens of millions.

If we back to the days without the NHLPA when players made comparatively small salaries, it wouldn't change what MLSE charges to watch a game.

If Grabovski made 50,000 dollars per year instead of 5.5 million, ticket prices wouldn't magically drop to 3 dollars.

The fact that scalped tickets sell for more than the face value seems to imply that Leafs tickets are actually lower than the market determines they should be.

He freaked me out as a yougnster. YIKES Michael Myers who cheers for the Flyers is coming after me.
- GCHonda

You sure about that?

Well if there's a season to not dive into the UFA market, this is it.

Check out the UFAs next season
- Trilla

ya but i would guess 75 % wont make it threw to FA next year

Why could Oil get an asset for Horcoff but we couldn't for Grabs?
- deerow84

Cap hit is 5.5 but actual salary is 4 and 3 over the next two years....

very nice!

I had today off because of the rain. (in my area)
- MapleLeafsFTW

Why do u deliver mail?

When did this happen?
- weirdoh

Game 7...

You sure about that?


- BetterCallSaul

This reminds me of The Love Guru. And now I'm having a bad day. Thanks.

If that's true TO offered to keep back some off Grab's money on their side and they still couldn't trade him that says a lot

That makes me think teams were like (frank) it, we're pretty damn sure the Leafs are out on Grabo and obviously have the cash to use both buyouts, why give them anything? And why take his current contract?
- Zezel

Agreed.

Why do u deliver mail?
- GCHonda

I'm a student, I work at a place that cuts lawns. decent money though.

So Teedot, turns out we met 16 years ago hahahahaha
I think at the time you were hanging with Yoshi, Dan and others.

Don't worry, it's good he went to Edmonton, hopefully they showed him around
- Zezel

Justin Schultz déjà vu

ya but i would guess 75 % wont make it threw to FA next year
- The_Vark

I think many will want to test the market

I love our cap space. We're not gonna win the cup next year so lets win in 3 yrsand again the next year. patiince people.

No, MLSE pays salaries. We pay MLSE.

How they determine their prices has nothing to do with their costs. Tickets in Phoenix are 20 bucks with free parking and a beer, despite their payroll being in the tens of millions.

If we back to the days without the NHLPA when players made comparatively small salaries, it wouldn't change what MLSE charges to watch a game.

If Grabovski made 50,000 dollars per year instead of 5.5 million, ticket prices wouldn't magically drop to 3 dollars.

The fact that scalped tickets sell for more than the face value seems to imply that Leafs tickets are actually lower than the market determines they should be.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I'm sorry but I disagree, MLSE has it's target profits, they definitely factor in payroll to their prices.

Rielly for Couturier... would Leafers do it?
- Leeman4Gilmour

I probably would have done Reilly for Monahan this year.

I'm sorry but I disagree, MLSE has it's target profits, they definitely factor in payroll to their prices.
- MapleLeafsFTW

The thing is that absolutely nobody is required to buy a single shred of what they're selling.

And, if everybody who was unhappy with the prices they set simply decided not to buy a ticket, the prices wouldn't be so high.

But, again, no matter how they set their prices, these prices still appear to be below market value, so Grabovski's buy-out isn't suddenly going to cause them to gouge their customers.

I'm sorry but I disagree, MLSE has it's target profits, they definitely factor in payroll to their prices.
- MapleLeafsFTW

Ummmm, no.

What if we did nothing tomorrow?

I'm surprised he's not coming after me wearing a Flyers jersey, especially after how I've been battling with some Flyer fans on here. Not Fly or Crims but some others who are playing the "neener neener we got Vinny" Leaf Nation replies, we don't care that u got a 33 year old who's past his time & cannot carry the Flyers to the cup on his back alone.
- GCHonda

Soooo... Ummmm... let me get this straight.

Vinny as a Flyer... 33 year-old who's past his prime and can't carry Philly to the Cup on his back alone.

F.A. Vinny a few days ago who could have possibly been a Leaf... OMG!!! A 1C!!! 33's not that old!!!! He has a Cup ring!!! He scored 50g+/100pts+ before!!! He's a 1st overall pick!!!

What if we did nothing tomorrow?
- gravyface

You mean like every year? I'd be upset, like every year. Then forget about it and get drunk.

What if we did nothing tomorrow?
- gravyface

Just like the last how many years?

You mean like every year? I'd be upset, like every year. Then forget about it and get drunk.
- weirdoh

You around tomorrow hon?

You mean like every year? I'd be upset, like every year. Then forget about it and get drunk.
- weirdoh

(frank) you!

Oilers traded Horcoff.


Lol

Only hours after his five-year tenure in Toronto had come to an end, Mikhail Grabovski was still trying to sort out the emotions of what had just occurred.

"I'm
- jribout[expletive] happy right now," he told TSN.ca exclusively early on Thursday evening, shortly after the Maple Leafs announced that they had exercised their second compliance buyout on the 29-year-old.

With the sting of the wound being realized, Grabovski changed tune considerably in a frustrating diatribe that took aim most poignantly at Leafs head coach Randy Carlyle.

"Of course I feel [expletive] sad," he continued in a lengthy conversation, minutes later, "I played [expletive] five years here. I'm supposed to feel upset about that. I loved it [here]. Toronto fans are one of the best fans in the world."

Grabovski finished a disappointing and altogether uninspired 2013 with poor numbers, compiling just nine goals and 16 points in 48 games, used almost exclusively in a checking role under Carlyle. While he performed with renewed fire and urgency in the playoffs, Grabovski ultimately finished goalless against the Bruins, adding just two assists in seven games.

Unwilling to rock the boat throughout the season, which saw the Leafs reach the playoffs for the first time since 2004, Grabovski kept silent, but held nothing back in his feelings toward Carlyle after ties with the organization were effectively cut.

"I play in the [expletive] Russian KHL, I make lots of [expletive] points and what's going to happen? He make me [expletive] play on the fourth line and he put me in the playoffs on the fourth line and third line again," Grabovski spewed. "Yeah, I don't score goals. I need to work more about that. I know that. But if you feel support from your coach [you'll find success]. I don't feel any support from this [expletive] idiot."

Grabovski found a favourite in Ron Wilson, from whom Carlyle took over in the latter stages of the 2011-2012 season, scoring 20 goals three times upon being acquired from Montreal. Inked to a hefty five-year, $27.5 million extension just three days after Wilson was fired in March of 2012, Grabovski never found a similar connection or rapport with Carlyle.

Communication – or lack thereof – was in some ways at the crux of the matter. Grabovski and the head coach rarely spoke, most of the conversation instead streaming through assistant coaches Greg Cronin and Scott Gordon.

"Wilson [expletive] pushed me same hard as this," Grabovski said, months of frustration finally bubbling to the surface, "but don't be an [expletive] with me. If you don't like something tell [expletive] right away, don't put me on the bench, healthy scratch [me] or something. Don't put me on a [expletive] third line and then [expletive] play me six minutes in a game."

Due to be married to his long-time girlfriend on Friday, the news unquestionably took Grabovski by surprise. Initially he called the buyout – which will offer the Leafs a boost in cap space with free agency looming on Friday – a "good present" from the organization and looked ahead to the opportunity he would find elsewhere.

He added that he'd find motivation from the dismissal, just as he had upon being traded from the Canadiens five years – almost to the day – earlier.

"People always in life motivate me," he said.

According to Leafs general manager Dave Nonis, the Leafs desired "cap flexibility" in parting ways with Grabovski and ultimately they chose that flexibility – be it with Tyler Bozak, Stephen Weiss or whomover they manage to acquire – over Grabovski. After buying out Mike Komisarek a day earlier, the organization projects to have upwards of $24 million available heading into free agency period, though they have the likes of Nazem Kadri, Cody Franson, Carl Gunnarsson, Jonathan Bernier and Mark Fraser still to sign.

Grabovski spent the early months of the most recent lockout in the KHL with CKSA Moscow and wouldn't rule out the league as an option for his next opportunity, though there figures to be NHL interest with a dearth of quality centremen available.

"I need to work harder," he concluded, taking time to thank his teammates, equipment managers and fans, "I need to be smarter, I need to play harder, need to play better and score a lot of goals and do what I do the best."

Makes me miss Grabo even more.