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opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:39 PM ET
Im trying to figure out how Joe is saying we overpaid for Pronger..

let me see if i get this right...

1. Future hall of famer..check
2. Won a cup..check
3. Proven leader..check
4. Still a top 3-5 dman at that time..check...

Picks , not proven.
Lupul and Sbisa, not proven.


Also i'm catching up but is the debate Forsberg vs Lindros?
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:39 PM ET
Is he the new Kent Manderville? Great on faceoffs, good defensive player, 100+ game goalless drought?
- jmatchett383


Kent Manderville ....never thought I would have anyone mention that name again
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
maybe he turns 20 during the season and can go to the ahl
- Don'tForgetTocchet


Well when he does turn 20 the entire CHL (all junior leagues) seasons would be over. His birthday is May 30th.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
I sure as hell hope not but I also won't be shocked.
- ob18


Well, Homer did say he wouldn't trade Coots or Schenn over draft weekend. I was kind of hoping for a little longer duration of time.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:42 PM ET
It means Laughton centers the 4th line and Hall is the new 13th forward...or Laughton plays wing over Jay "who knew I could actually play hockey" Rosehill.
- jmatchett383



that's fine too

i super wanted hall resigned, i'm as happy as a pig in poop as my ma would say
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:43 PM ET
Well, Homer did say he wouldn't trade Coots or Schenn over draft weekend. I was kind of hoping for a little longer duration of time.
- ravishingone


I think it was more implied that it would take a lot in any offer for him to move them
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:43 PM ET
Well when he does turn 20 the entire CHL (all junior leagues) seasons would be over. His birthday is May 30th.
- ob18



well there goes that idea


either way i think it's fine if he waits another year
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:43 PM ET
that's fine too

i super wanted hall resigned, i'm as happy as a pig in poop as my ma would say

- Don'tForgetTocchet


I had no problem with him while he was here...played his role very well imo.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 4 @ 7:43 PM ET
Conversely, your team looks a lot worse when they don't have possession of the puck as often.
- Flyskippy


Nothing worse than watching the Flyers chase the puck all night. Nothing.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 4 @ 7:44 PM ET
I think it was more implied that it would take a lot in any offer for him to move them
- ob18


They have to make a trade to free up money to get a goalie.

Should be interesting tomorrow.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:44 PM ET
For fun, rank these players for me, Joe.

Parise
Malkin
E. Staal
Heatley
Giroux
Getzlaf
Ovechkin
Vanek
Nash

- Roytastic

Toews is better than all of em
But ok...
Malkin, Parise, getzlaf, e. staal, Giroux, Vanek, Nash, ovechkin.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 4 @ 7:44 PM ET
i mean yah that's a bummer for him but i'm very ok with him taking a longer development period
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Yeah, you hear more about the risk of rushing than about the risk of holding one back in junior.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:45 PM ET
I think it was more implied that it would take a lot in any offer for him to move them
- ob18


I would be greatly disappointed if that payment was Yandle. I don't have a problem if Emery is added and let's get ready for training camp. However, I get the sense it won't be that simple.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 7:46 PM ET
well there goes that idea


either way i think it's fine if he waits another year

- Don'tForgetTocchet


I agree, nothing wrong with them finally not rushing prospects & building a strong group of prospects.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 4 @ 7:47 PM ET
I would be greatly disappointed if that payment was Yandle. I don't have a problem if Emery is added and let's get ready for training camp. However, I get the sense it won't be that simple.
- ravishingone


I believe you are correct, it wont be simple.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:48 PM ET
Toews is better than all of em
But ok...
Malkin, Parise, getzlaf, e. staal, Giroux, Vanek, Nash, ovechkin.

- JoeRussomanno


Put the crack pipe down and slowly step away
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:50 PM ET
Im trying to figure out how Joe is saying we overpaid for Pronger..

let me see if i get this right...

1. Future hall of famer..check
2. Won a cup..check
3. Proven leader..check
4. Still a top 3-5 dman at that time..check...

Picks , not proven.
Lupul and Sbisa, not proven.


Also i'm catching up but is the debate Forsberg vs Lindros?

- opeth_pa


The debate is about how much crack JoeR has smoked this evening.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 4 @ 7:50 PM ET
Toews is better than all of em
But ok...
Malkin, Parise, getzlaf, e. staal, Giroux, Vanek, Nash, ovechkin.

- JoeRussomanno

haha love how heatley doesnt make the list
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:51 PM ET
Put the crack pipe down and slowly step away
- nonpoint22

UNREAL. Our posts crossed in the air (and I'm slow at typing). Right on bro!!

Edit- I didn't see yours till after I sent my post. Plenty of crack going around.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:53 PM ET
Im trying to figure out how Joe is saying we overpaid for Pronger..

let me see if i get this right...

1. Future hall of famer..check
2. Won a cup..check
3. Proven leader..check
4. Still a top 3-5 dman at that time..check...

Picks , not proven.
Lupul and Sbisa, not proven.


Also i'm catching up but is the debate Forsberg vs Lindros?

- opeth_pa

Well in that case homer better get on the phone with Boston to see what we can send for chara. Coots, Hagg and some first rounders ought a do it.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:53 PM ET
haha love how heatley doesnt make the list
- stayinthefnnet

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:54 PM ET
Put the crack pipe down and slowly step away
- nonpoint22

I'm not the one overwhelmed with joy at paying. 8 mil a year for Giroux.
Roytastic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 06.18.2013

Jul 4 @ 7:56 PM ET
Toews is better than all of em
But ok...
Malkin, Parise, getzlaf, e. staal, Giroux, Vanek, Nash, ovechkin.

- JoeRussomanno


So your list

Malkin - 8.7mil
Parise - 7.5mil
Getzkaf - 8.2mil
e. staal - 8.2mil
Giroux - maybe 8.5mil
Vanek - 7.1 mil
Nash 7.8 mil
Ovie 9.5mil

To me, comparing those players and how you rank them, mid 8's for a cap hit sounds about right for giroux, no?
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:57 PM ET
I'm not the one overwhelmed with joy at paying. 8 mil a year for Giroux.
- JoeRussomanno


We locked up are star player for what the market says he is worth....its as simple as that
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:57 PM ET
Can't believe the b's traded seguin for erikson that's stupid
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