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Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

Jul 3 @ 9:21 PM ET
Provide a link confirming anything you said.
- OilHorse


You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
time2produce
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Red Deer
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:24 PM ET
With Tortorella screaming at the all the primadonnas and floppers on the Canucks I really can't see that happening. Not to mention I really think the sisters are gonna walk after the year is done.
- Ihatebrianburke

Maybe that was the plan, they suck in the playoffs and both could bring a lot back and itll be easy 2 trade them if they want to leave. Smart plan by Van
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:28 PM ET
You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
- Maxbone


Its his ass

No seriously its like Oil on Whyte.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:30 PM ET
You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
- Maxbone

Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jul 3 @ 9:31 PM ET
You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
- Maxbone

This source of yours has never given you any valid info in the first place. Literally nothing you say comes to fruition. Not much of a loss if you ask me.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:31 PM ET
You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
- Maxbone

And either way, you lose credibility
BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:36 PM ET
I'm trying to be patient with MacT but this is not starting all that well:

1. Came out talking about being bold and impatient, and slagging players in the bottom 6 for at best being a non-factor publicly. I know it's what he thinks is the truth, but he shouldn't come out that hard publicly on the first media interview.

2. Publicly stating that Hemsky and Horcoff should move on. Again, I know it's his truth, but still, you don't say that poop in public... if nothing else it hurts your negotiating position.

3. Bringing in Eakins was a ballsy move. This is the only bold thing MacT has done so far. I don't know enough about Eakins to really have an opinion, but I know our guy Todd Nelson in OKC has consistently had better team stats and playoff and championship finishes than Eakins did with the Marlies.

4. The draft result is bad optics considering how MacT set the expectation that it was time to be bold. They took on a lot of risk by hoping some long-shots payoff. Note: Is anyone familiar with MBS' draft record after the first round? Seems like despite a few years the cabinet isn't all that stocked.

5. Would have been nice to snag Bernier or Schneider.

6. The worst thing of all, is that Feaster is making moves, and while they may be horizontal moves, he's making the changes he was looking to make.
Hemsky4Prez
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.06.2011

Jul 3 @ 9:41 PM ET
You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
- Maxbone


For crying out loud, your source for what?
Everyone and his dog knows his contract situation, especially with you talking about it three times per day.
And saying he is interested in Detroit is not news of a rumor. Its completely " throw stuff at the wall " speculation because he has Michigan ties.

time2produce
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Red Deer
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:43 PM ET
Everyone hates on the flyers, right or wrong atleast they try things. Wish the oilers where more like this. I could let afew bad trades or signings go by the waist if they tried to do things more but with never doing anything it puts so much pressure on every move they make now. I know people are going to say no one wants to come to Edmonton myself included but if they never do anything nothing will happen. Maybe trade a young gun to shake things up and final get that 1 2 D man we so need and send a message at the same time to the players on the oilers. Im not saying im right at all but no changes for the good in 7years isn't the answer either. We have the fire power need the D to back it up 30+ shots a night is a joke and I don't want the oilers to be a joke any longer. DO SOMETHING RIGHT OR WRONG JUST DO SOMETHING.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 3 @ 9:43 PM ET
You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
- Maxbone

Here's a suggestion: Everyone knows that Belanger is on the move. It's not a function of if but rather of when. It's really no secret and it really won't sour anything to learn about it an hour or two early. Can you ask your source specifically about that?

If you can break that small, inconsequential bit of oilers news it won't sour your relationship with your source, and it would convince us all you've got credibility.

If you break that bit of news, I'll never question that you have insider info again.

#breakbelanger
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:44 PM ET
You know very well that's a trap. If I identify the source of my information, that person never speaks to me again. If I don't identify that person, I get comments like this one. So it's a no win.
- Maxbone

Just admit that Carl the night janitor is your "source" and move on.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 3 @ 9:46 PM ET
Everyone hates on the flyers, right or wrong atleast they try things. Wish the oilers where more like this. I could let afew bad trades or signings go by the waist if they tried to do things more but with never doing anything it puts so much pressure on every move they make now. I know people are going to say no one wants to come to Edmonton myself included but if they never do anything nothing will happen. Maybe trade a young gun to shake things up and final get that 1 2 D man we so need and send a message at the same time to the players on the oilers. Im not saying im right at all but no changes for the good in 7years isn't the answer either. We have the fire power need the D to back it up 30+ shots a night is a joke and I don't want the oilers to be a joke any longer. DO SOMETHING RIGHT OR WRONG JUST DO SOMETHING.
- time2produce

Are you kidding me?
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:47 PM ET
I'm trying to be patient with MacT but this is not starting all that well:

1. Came out talking about being bold and impatient, and slagging players in the bottom 6 for at best being a non-factor publicly. I know it's what he thinks is the truth, but he shouldn't come out that hard publicly on the first media interview.

2. Publicly stating that Hemsky and Horcoff should move on. Again, I know it's his truth, but still, you don't say that poop in public... if nothing else it hurts your negotiating position.

3. Bringing in Eakins was a ballsy move. This is the only bold thing MacT has done so far. I don't know enough about Eakins to really have an opinion, but I know our guy Todd Nelson in OKC has consistently had better team stats and playoff and championship finishes than Eakins did with the Marlies.

4. The draft result is bad optics considering how MacT set the expectation that it was time to be bold. They took on a lot of risk by hoping some long-shots payoff. Note: Is anyone familiar with MBS' draft record after the first round? Seems like despite a few years the cabinet isn't all that stocked.

5. Would have been nice to snag Bernier or Schneider.

6. The worst thing of all, is that Feaster is making moves, and while they may be horizontal moves, he's making the changes he was looking to make.

- BigDre


Bah....way too early to judge Mac T. No sense in making a bad trade if a good one isn't there.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:49 PM ET
Everyone hates on the flyers, right or wrong atleast they try things. Wish the oilers where more like this. I could let afew bad trades or signings go by the waist if they tried to do things more but with never doing anything it puts so much pressure on every move they make now. I know people are going to say no one wants to come to Edmonton myself included but if they never do anything nothing will happen. Maybe trade a young gun to shake things up and final get that 1 2 D man we so need and send a message at the same time to the players on the oilers. Im not saying im right at all but no changes for the good in 7years isn't the answer either. We have the fire power need the D to back it up 30+ shots a night is a joke and I don't want the oilers to be a joke any longer. DO SOMETHING RIGHT OR WRONG JUST DO SOMETHING.
- time2produce


This team can ill-afford to make a bad or knee jerk trade for the sake of pleasing fans like you. We have neither the depth or trade pieces to make silly trades. Patience,man, we havent even hit free agency.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:49 PM ET
1 Los Angeles
2 Anahiem
3 San Jose
4 Edmonton
5 Vancouver
6 Phoenix
7 Calgary

- Oilers4Life14

1 Los Angeles
2 Vancouver
3 San Jose
4 Edmonton
5 Anahiem
6 Phoenix
7 Calgary

Anaheim was riding puck luck this past season (much like the Leafs) and even assuming significant improvement from their youngsters, the aging of two key roster cogs (Selanne and Koivu), the league figring Fasth out (unless he's the next Lundqvist), and the possible trade of Bobby Ryan may prove too much to overcome. Barring a fairly substantial roster upgrade, I foresee a fair drop off in their standings.

Vancouver is still a very similar team to one that one the President's Trophy the past two full seasons. The new alignment may have them playing a couple tougher opponents within their division, but it also sees them play the more offensively "open" Eastern teams twice each. I wouldn't be so quick to discount them, especially under a hardass like Torts.
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:54 PM ET
I hope Gibby comes back
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 3 @ 9:54 PM ET
1 Los Angeles
2 Vancouver
3 San Jose
4 Edmonton
5 Anahiem
6 Phoenix
7 Calgary

Anaheim was riding puck luck this past season (much like the Leafs) and even assuming significant improvement from their youngsters, the aging of two key roster cogs (Selanne and Koivu), the league figring Fasth out (unless he's the next Lundqvist), and the possible trade of Bobby Ryan may prove too much to overcome. Barring a fairly substantial roster upgrade, I foresee a fair drop off in their standings.

Vancouver is still a very similar team to one that one the President's Trophy the past two full seasons. The new alignment may have them playing a couple tougher opponents within their division, but it also sees them play the more offensively "open" Eastern teams twice each. I wouldn't be so quick to discount them, especially under a hardass like Torts.

- MaximumBone

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think this division as a whole will be that good. Maybe even be the worst of the four.
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 3 @ 9:55 PM ET
Did we win free agency yet
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:57 PM ET
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think this division as a whole will be that good. Maybe even be the worst of the four.
- Morris

Yeah, that "Atlantic" conference seems like it'll be the hardest.
Deadmau55
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 06.07.2011

Jul 3 @ 9:59 PM ET
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think this division as a whole will be that good. Maybe even be the worst of the four.
- Morris



Why do you think that?
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 3 @ 10:00 PM ET
Yeah, that "Atlantic" conference seems like it'll be the hardest.
- MaximumBone

Yeah I think so too. With the exception possibly of Florida, who are my early front runner for finishing last.

EDIT: I guess I'm talking about the Northeast+snowbirds division, but yeah the Atlantic looks great too, god combination of super skilled teams (PIT, CAR) and real workmanlike teams (NYI and CLB)
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 3 @ 10:01 PM ET
Did we win free agency yet
- ystoil


You just Heff to wait a bit longer....
Hemsky4Prez
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.06.2011

Jul 3 @ 10:04 PM ET
I'm trying to be patient with MacT but this is not starting all that well:

1. Came out talking about being bold and impatient, and slagging players in the bottom 6 for at best being a non-factor publicly. I know it's what he thinks is the truth, but he shouldn't come out that hard publicly on the first media interview.

2. Publicly stating that Hemsky and Horcoff should move on. Again, I know it's his truth, but still, you don't say that poop in public... if nothing else it hurts your negotiating position.

- BigDre


I agree with you on both fronts, especially with your second point. It may or may not have had any effect with MacT's negotiating at the draft, but likely had posed limitations. I was a little concerned when he made his thoughts public on both players.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jul 3 @ 10:08 PM ET
Why do you think that?
- Deadmau55

Chicago/St Louis could challenge for our division easily, with Nasvhille/Minnesota challenging Van/SJ for 2nd. I'd slot Winnipeg at least on par with Ana/PHX/Edm. I dunno, I think you'd see LA at the top of the conference and the middle just filled with the rest of their teams except Col.

As for the Boston division, you've got the cup finalists, two more teams that made the 2nd round, two more teams that made the playoffs, and the team with the top two scorers in the league. Just pretty solid up and down.

Lastly, a lot of the teams in the old Atlantic are just built for success. Columbus looked primed for the playoffs last year and the Islanders look like they could take another real leap. Philly underachieved hard last year, and Pittsburgh is a lock to be a great team again.

MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 3 @ 10:09 PM ET
Yeah I think so too. With the exception possibly of Florida, who are my early front runner for finishing last.
- Morris

They're in with Pittsburgh? I thought it was Detroit, Columbus, Pittsburgh, New York, other New York, New Jersey, Washington, and Philly in one with Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, Florida, Tampa, and Carolina in the other. I'd check, but I'm on my phone.
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