Fill me in on Smid! What's his mobility and puck skills like? Can he make a decent first pass? How is his skating?
- MJL

mobility, skating are fine. First pass okay, but not inspired or anything. His slapper is okay. puck skills to do anything beyond the simple play are essentially non-existent.

Positionally great, physicality great, guts are great and a good locker room guy.

Vintage Anton Volchenkov, with no injury problems to speak of.

Hainsey would be our best defender IMO. He's a big guy that can initiate a good break out.
- JShack

Ive seen him play a few times, but I'm not the biggest fan. He would be an asset to this team if we don't have to give up anything to get him

mobility, skating are fine. First pass okay, but not inspired or anything. His slapper is okay. puck skills to do anything beyond the simple play are essentially non-existent.

Positionally great, physicality great, guts are great and a good locker room guy.

Vintage Anton Volchenkov, with no injury problems to speak of.
- Morris

That's what I thought. Blocks a poop load of shots also. Thanks

mobility, skating are fine. First pass okay, but not inspired or anything. His slapper is okay. puck skills to do anything beyond the simple play are essentially non-existent.

Positionally great, physicality great, guts are great and a good locker room guy.

Vintage Anton Volchenkov, with no injury problems to speak of.
- Morris

Amazing at blocking shots, he's one of the top 10 in the league. But to be honest I' don't wanna give smid away either

I liked Paajarvi-Gagner-Yakupov. They seemed to have good chemistry, but they were kind of one dimensional.

I thought the Hall-Horcoff-Yakupov line at the end of last year after they shut down Nuge for the season was actually a good use of Horcoff, who despite his lack of scoring prowess is good defensively, knows how to get into good positions and is still fairly fast. Just let him win the faceoff and let the other two north-south guys take over.

In the long run, I feel like a beefed up Nuge could be a good fit for them, as he's smart and they're instinctive. Although if I could have anyone in the league (indicating the "optimal" fit), I might go:

Hall-Toews-Yakupov
Backes-Nuge-Eberle

As it stands, we're likely fixing to have Gagner in the Toews spot and a yet undiscovered mystery man on the 2nd line.
- Morris

How is Nuge progressing, anyways? I can't imagine him being out much longer than preseason and 6-10 games.

And i don't want to see Nuge bulk up like everyone else suggests. I just want to see 15lbs as well as him maintaining his ability to avoid checks and get into tight areas. He doesn't play a style of play similar to Big Joe, so he doesnt need to be 210-215. Yzerman and Sakic were DEADLY at much more effecient weights. 6'1 195 will be just fine.

How is Nuge progressing, anyways? I can't imagine him being out much longer than preseason and 6-10 games.

And i don't want to see Nuge bulk up like everyone else suggests. I just want to see 15lbs as well as him maintaining his ability to avoid checks and get into tight areas. He doesn't play a style of play similar to Big Joe, so he doesnt need to be 210-215. Yzerman and Sakic were DEADLY at much more effecient weights. 6'1 195 will be just fine.
- JShack

honestly think Nuge came into the league at 160-170 lbs. If he's 180 he'll be dynamite

I see...am I a bottom?


- AdamFrench

You excepted that way to quick... So ya, ya you are.

Suck our Richards

Dolla dolla billzzz bishes
- mochoson

Oilers, flyers, stars, thrashers. Who else?
You use i for all of em. Far as i can tell you're fan of all of em, but far from an expert on any of em.

Really! One thing that many don't understand, is that Capgeek guesstimates who will be on the roster. It is not entirely accurate. The Flyers are going to move one of their defenseman. Most likely Meszaros. That will create Cap needed.

And placing a player on LTIR, does not get any team under. By it's very definition, using LTIR means you are over the Upper LImit.
- MJL

CapGeek is one of the tools you said that Clouts needed to use. Now you say it is not very good. Flipping your story now that it doesn't work for you?

As of right now the team has 13 forwards 13/14 is standard) totalling 31.6M.

I assume: Hartnell, Giroux, Lecavalier, Schenn, Talbot, Voracek, Couturier and Simmonds are all locks. They are also the top 8 paid forwards on the team, and replacing the others will not gain the team any substantial money savings. Those last 5 are ~ 4.25M.

Team has 1 goalie. That is Mason and he is 1.5M. The Flyers WILL be signing another and he will cost 3M at a minimum.

There are 9 Dmen listed. Team generally carries 7/8 Dmen. Total for the Dmen listed is 33.25M Now Pronger is one and his salary will get moved off of the salary listed under the cap because he will be placed on the LTIR. Basically a gain of 5M in cap space, argue semantics how ever much you wish, it all ends up the same.

The Flyers as of what is on that webscreen will have ~2M in cap space. Maybe Gervais or Grossman are moved off the team, providing a minimal of gains in cap space. Maybe Meszaros get moved, but no one is taking your Dmen with those type of cap hits for free. You may lose 4M in Meszaros salary, but you will be taking some salary back.

Really Phi will start teh season compliant and under cap, but not by much.

You're incorrect Oilhorse. The Flyers are going to move a defenseman. They then can add a Goalie, all without placing Pronger on LTIR.
- MJL

Oooookay there spanky.

They are hovering at even. They need a real #1 goalie. And no one will be doing them favours. Good Luck.

- Lahey

you were quick to post it....really wanted that handjob from him huh?

Yep, then the people who are saying that the Flyers are over the Cap should use it. Then they'll know that the Flyers have plenty of Cap flexibility with one simple move. Which I can easily show using the Cap calculator.
- MJL

Awesome. And you are not management. Just adding and subtracting whom ever you want to make the numbers work.

jailbakt... . She looks 16. And shes to skinny
- Oilers4Life14

she's fukin cute as all get up

Reality is: Pronger IS injured and LTIR IS needed.

Next year means nothing when determining how to get under cap THIS year.

You are the one crying about what is being said about your team.
- OilHorse

I'm correcting not crying.

Long term IR is there for when players are unable to play to cover the teams. I'm aware of what the reality is but my point is that the team needs to use the ir bc the guy is hurt not bc they want to be over the cap.

Next year does mean nothing when referring to this years cap but since the flyers will have no problem getting under it you have made no point whatsoever.

So say I'm crying all you want but you're still wrong champ.

You wouldn't consider trading Mezaros, and eating half his salary to do so as has been discussed in this thread, to be a serious move?

That's the definition of scrambling to get under the cap.

I'll put aside the idea of trading Grossman - a guy you acquired for a 2nd and 3rd and resigned a year ago - for future considerations. That's a really serious move.
- Morris

I wouldn't consider Doing that at all, so no. If they move mez it'll be to a team ok with his salary other wise they will do something else.

Look they will get under the cap with no problem no matter how much everyone wants to believe they'll have problems. Could be done without moving mez or coburn. Read meltzers blog. You're wrong.

I wouldn't consider Doing that at all, so no. If they move mez it'll be to a team ok with his salary other wise they will do something else.

Look they will get under the cap with no problem no matter how much everyone wants to believe they'll have problems. Could be done without moving mez or coburn. Read meltzers blog. You're wrong.
- TheHype

Hey man, I'm addressing those who suggested those kinds of moves. In the absence of one great flyers fan GM democracy, I can only glean what's going on with the team from whatever fan is posting.

It's just like some Oilers fans are itching to trade Eberle, others would never trade him in a million years. No one's wrong.

And note I didn't say they'll have trouble getting under the cap, but only -->IF<-- they're at the point where they're dishing guys below market value for low picks or prospects, it's because of cap constraints.

That's that stuff.
- HouseArrest187

What still gets me is you were off on WCB when it happened.

Wow, somebody is a picky female genitalia.

TAKE WHATEVER YOU CAN GET


or you'll end up like DTF...drawing a mustache on your face for Movember and wheeling beaches at camp fires.
- AdamFrench

I'm correcting not crying.

Long term IR is there for when players are unable to play to cover the teams. I'm aware of what the reality is but my point is that the team needs to use the ir bc the guy is hurt not bc they want to be over the cap.

Next year does mean nothing when referring to this years cap but since the flyers will have no problem getting under it you have made no point whatsoever.

So say I'm crying all you want but you're still wrong champ.
- TheHype

You are the one that brought up Timonen, about how his contract comes up next year. All you do is shift posts.

They will LTIR becasue it will be needed. Not just because.

So go cry some more in a Flyers thread.

CapGeek is one of the tools you said that Clouts needed to use. Now you say it is not very good. Flipping your story now that it doesn't work for you?


- OilHorse

That is incorrect Oilhorse. I did not state that Capgeek is not very good. Please point out where I did.

As of right now the team has 13 forwards 13/14 is standard) totalling 31.6M.

I assume: Hartnell, Giroux, Lecavalier, Schenn, Talbot, Voracek, Couturier and Simmonds are all locks. They are also the top 8 paid forwards on the team, and replacing the others will not gain the team any substantial money savings. Those last 5 are ~ 4.25M.

Team has 1 goalie. That is Mason and he is 1.5M. The Flyers WILL be signing another and he will cost 3M at a minimum.

There are 9 Dmen listed. Team generally carries 7/8 Dmen. Total for the Dmen listed is 33.25M Now Pronger is one and his salary will get moved off of the salary listed under the cap because he will be placed on the LTIR. Basically a gain of 5M in cap space, argue semantics how ever much you wish, it all ends up the same.

The Flyers as of what is on that webscreen will have ~2M in cap space. Maybe Gervais or Grossman are moved off the team, providing a minimal of gains in cap space. Maybe Meszaros get moved, but no one is taking your Dmen with those type of cap hits for free. You may lose 4M in Meszaros salary, but you will be taking some salary back.

Really Phi will start teh season compliant and under cap, but not by much.
- OilHorse

Couple of things here that you are assuming, that you don't know. One is that the Goalie will cost 3M minimum. Second is that they would be taking salary back in a trade of Meszaros. Possible, but you don't know that for a fact. Here is a simple roster, in which I'm removing Meszaros as a player that is traded. You'll see that one move, gives the Flyers plenty of Cap flexibility. All they would need to do is add a Goalie. And this is without placing Pronger on LTIR. Which gives them 4.3M of Cap space to work with. Before placing Pronger on LTIR.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.851m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,704,022; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,395,978

Awesome. And you are not management. Just adding and subtracting whom ever you want to make the numbers work.


- OilHorse

All I'm doing is the same thing that Capgeek is doing, which you are unaware of. That is speculating on potential moves that the Flyers may make. Just as Capgeek does to speculate who's going to be on the Flyers roster next Season. One of which is widely rumored.It requires that, because no one can see into the future. This is a fundamental of the off season cap picture for every team.

Oooookay there spanky.

They are hovering at even. They need a real #1 goalie. And no one will be doing them favours. Good Luck.
- OilHorse

No facts here. How do you know the Flyers aren't going to use Mason as the #1, and sign a veteran backup? Flyers have plenty of Cap flexibility.

You are the one that brought up Timonen, about how his contract comes up next year. All you do is shift posts.

They will LTIR becasue it will be needed. Not just because.

So go cry some more in a Flyers thread.
- OilHorse

The Flyers can absolutely go into the Season without placing Pronger on LTIR. They may choose to do so, to make some more moves. But it's not a given that Pronger goes on LTIR. In fact it would be best for them not to use LTIR. Any idea why?

No facts here. How do you know the Flyers aren't going to use Mason as the #1, and sign a veteran backup? Flyers have plenty of Cap flexibility.
- MJL

Mason is terrible, that is why they wont.

That is incorrect Oilhorse. I did not state that Capgeek is not very good. Please point out where I did.



Couple of things here that you are assuming, that you don't know. One is that the Goalie will cost 3M minimum. Second is that they would be taking salary back in a trade of Meszaros. Possible, but you don't know that for a fact. Here is a simple roster, in which I'm removing Meszaros as a player that is traded. You'll see that one move, gives the Flyers plenty of Cap flexibility. All they would need to do is add a Goalie. And this is without placing Pronger on LTIR. Which gives them 4.3M of Cap space to work with. Before placing Pronger on LTIR.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.851m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,704,022; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,395,978
- MJL

Love it. No goalie signed and the Flyers took no one back in that trade for Meszaros. Lucky you can manipulate the numbers like that...

You are assuming as much as I am...so step off the pulpit.