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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 3 @ 9:47 AM ET
dipietro signed to a 2 way to become the next leighton
- isaiah520


I know many people don't like him. Not sure if he would help.

I would be looking to sign Nabokov for 1-2 year deal.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
Such a terrible business concept to have. Failing franchises are rewarded for failing instead of moving the teams to areas where they can thrive.

Let bad market teams die, then move them. Don't save them so 4,000 people can keep their team.

- Flyersgod


The problem is that Phoenix is such a large city. Even if a small percentage watch the games, it's still more overall people than a smaller canadian city, which would live and die with their team.

The Coyotes to Phoenix are like the Union to Philadelphia.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
So what's next for the Flyers?
- stveshdy

Goalie. Has to be. Even if it's just a cheap back-up.
My fiancee is cringing inside cuz he'd rather use a cardboard cutout than Thomas. Sadly I think he's a distinct possibility.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
vinny one timer on the PP will be sweet....1st or 2nd PP?
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
Im surprised you guys are willing to part with Talbot, I thought he was a spark to your team. I hate him but you guys shouldn't. Im also very excited to hate Vinny.
- nbartley9


Yeah that was a horrible thing for me to ask, you guys are like talking to a giant tin foil ball.

People who use the word "troll", you just know got the living crap beat out of them everyday in school and just threw their lunch money up in the air and ran.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:49 AM ET
"My big concern has nothing to do with the salary cap: In order to get back into the playoffs, this team is going to have to cut its goals against average next season. Mark Streit will help them move the puck better and both he and Lecavalier should help them keep puck possession in the offensive zone longer. Even so, the Flyers' team defense remains suspect."

I think Bill summarized the Flyer risk in the above comment.

Holmgren knows his team and you know he is not yet finished. He needs to do something in goal and he needs another Dman. Does he have the space or leverage to jump on a future opportunity.

Essentially the salaries of LeCavalier and Streit are offset by Briere and Bryzgalov. I am less enthusiastic about these deals than I normally am about most Holmgren moves.

- spatso


I just don't understand how adding Streit and Vinny then possibly trading read and coburn make this a better defensive team.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:49 AM ET
Sorry, man...I'll stop.
- tangent_man

I'll believe THAT when I see it!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:50 AM ET
Goalie. Has to be. Even if it's just a cheap back-up.
My fiancee is cringing inside cuz he'd rather use a cardboard cutout than Thomas. Sadly I think he's a distinct possibility.

- FlyersGrace


The bigger the name, the more likely homer is to sign him
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:51 AM ET
The problem is that Phoenix is such a large city. Even if a small percentage watch the games, it's still more overall people than a smaller canadian city, which would live and die with their team.

The Coyotes to Phoenix are like the Union to Philadelphia.

- PhillySportsGuy


Phoenix is the 12th largest TV market in America. That fact alone explains why the NHL wants a presence there.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:51 AM ET
If the Flyers needed to move salary, why would they trade Talbot? He makes under 2M. I think that's just wishful thinking from a pens fan.
- PhillySportsGuy


Exactly -- MJL and I ran rosters and numbers yesterday, and Bill explains it well in the blog today.

The Flyers don't have to do ANYTHING other than move Andrej Meszaros and sign a goalie for roughly $2.5 million-$3 million. They have a full roster already.

That means that Simon Gagne likely won't be back, and many people wish that wasn't true, me included.

But at the same time, they literally don't have to do anything other than swap Meszaros' roster slot with a goalie who makes less -- and that makes cap compliant without even touching Pronger's LTIR.

Good luck explaining that to the morons who troll this team, though.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 3 @ 9:51 AM ET
Goalie. Has to be. Even if it's just a cheap back-up.
My fiancee is cringing inside cuz he'd rather use a cardboard cutout than Thomas. Sadly I think he's a distinct possibility.

- FlyersGrace


Thomas or Nabokov would be my choices. Not looking for any deal past two years max.

If they can find a way to get another good goalie that's cool also.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:51 AM ET
I have a feeling Lavi's days are numbered. This roster will not work with his style
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:51 AM ET
Vinny's gonna cover the loss of Briere (and then some, hopefully).
- tangent_man

I have to agree. I love Briere - but he was invisible every game last season. Even if Vinny disappears sometimes it'll be an upgrade.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 3 @ 9:52 AM ET
I know many people don't like him. Not sure if he would help.

I would be looking to sign Nabokov for 1-2 year deal.

- stveshdy

RD would not be the mason partner. just a guy in the org who can play in the A and provide some vet ins. gotta give him one thing- he's tried his best to ply.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:52 AM ET
we just added Lecavalier and Streit which will more than makeup the lost of Talbot. Thats why i think Laughton will make this team.
- 215mike

No.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 3 @ 9:52 AM ET
I'll believe THAT when I see it!
- FlyersGrace


Yeah, well...
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 3 @ 9:53 AM ET
So what's next for the Flyers?
- stveshdy


sign Gagne, Thomas and Andrew Ference, call it an offseason. Also trade Coburn and Mesz for draft picks or prospects.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:54 AM ET
I have a feeling Lavi's days are numbered. This roster will not work with his style
- PhillySportsGuy


I think he's done like dinner if this team is floundering going into the holidays.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 3 @ 9:54 AM ET
Exactly -- MJL and I ran rosters and numbers yesterday, and Bill explains it well in the blog today.

The Flyers don't have to do ANYTHING other than move Andrej Meszaros and sign a goalie for roughly $2.5 million-$3 million. They have a full roster already.

That means that Simon Gagne likely won't be back, and many people wish that wasn't true, me included.

But at the same time, they literally don't have to do anything other than swap Meszaros' roster slot with a goalie who makes less -- and that makes cap compliant without even touching Pronger's LTIR.

Good luck explaining that to the morons who troll this team, though.

- AllInForFlyers


That's the most likely scenario. Only way they trade Coburn is if they get back a return they like. Otherwise, Mez is gone!
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 3 @ 9:54 AM ET
I have to agree. I love Briere - but he was invisible every game last season. Even if Vinny disappears sometimes it'll be an upgrade.
- FlyersGrace


And Vinny will; we can count on it. Can't wait to see it in here when it happens.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
I have to agree. I love Briere - but he was invisible every game last season. Even if Vinny disappears sometimes it'll be an upgrade.
- FlyersGrace


There were times when I watched an entire Tampa Bay game and forgot Vinny was on the team or I just assumed he was injured and not playing.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
People who use the word "troll", you just know got the living crap beat out of them everyday in school and just threw their lunch money up in the air and ran.
- nbartley9


Someone's projecting their own experiences onto others.

But please, tell us again how Hartnell is done at 31 and will be traded despite having an NMC. It's such an interesting and honest opinion I feel like it needs more discussion.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
Yeah that was a horrible thing for me to ask, you guys are like talking to a giant tin foil ball.

People who use the word "troll", you just know got the living crap beat out of them everyday in school and just threw their lunch money up in the air and ran.

- nbartley9

Keep it down, troll.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
Thomas or Nabokov would be my choices. Not looking for any deal past two years max.

If they can find a way to get another good goalie that's cool also.

- stveshdy

So question. Besides Mason we only hve Cal Heeter right? Stolarz is staying where he is next year. If that's the case we need an AHL goalie too.
Or am I mistaken and forgetting someone?
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
i fully expect a trade today, cuz there wont be movement tommorrow for the holiday and we need to make a move before fa starts friday
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