I Was never a big Vinny fan but I do understand and like the signing.

I do think they should shop B. Schenn for a young dman with offensive potential.

They did OK at the draft but I would love to have more options now.

why did guys like Ed Snider force us to miss half a season and lock the players out again?

why did guys like Ed Snider force us to miss half a season and lock the players out again?
- jimbro83

Its guys like Ed Snider the league was fighting against. If it were up to him there would be no cap and each team could spend what they want.

The key for the Flyers right now is not to overspend in goal. Bring another goalie in at like 1.5 mil to compete with Mason(Jose Theodore?). With Mez gone that will leave some room to fit Gagne back in if they don't overspend in net.

why did guys like Ed Snider force us to miss half a season and lock the players out again?
- jimbro83

For a 50/50 revenue split, and contract term limits so teams couldn't sign players to ridiculous Brad Richards-style contracts anymore.

For a 50/50 revenue split, and contract term limits so teams couldn't sign players to ridiculous Brad Richards-style contracts anymore.
- Feanor

you mean ridiculous Chris Pronger style contracts right?

you mean ridiculous Chris Pronger style contracts right?
- jimbro83

Explain what is ridiculous about the Pronger contract.

The Streit move was non-sense. It got even worse now that they have signed Lecavalier (with a NMC). I find it really hard to keep all of their assets going forward. Couturier or Schenn alongside Read will probably be casualties. Giroux's new contract will cost at least $8.25M/year.

Who's playing G backup? Who's getting traded so you can fit in another contract for that?
Cap Space: -$318,522
- Orpik44

It's usually considered good form to actually read the blog before commenting unknowledgeably about exactly what the blogger explained for you. In short, easy to digest sentences.

why did guys like Ed Snider force us to miss half a season and lock the players out again?
- jimbro83

Don't you remember, the poor small market teams were dying, barely able to stay in business. You know, teams like Minnesota who somehow managed to commit nearly 200 million to Suter and Parise and lets not forget Nashville, who all of sudden went from broke to being able to spend 27 million in one calender year for Weber.

Man, I would love to be an NHL owner, it would be pretty cool to be broke, but somehow be able to spend millions of dollars like it was nothing!

It's usually considered good form to actually read the blog before commenting unknowledgeably about exactly what the blogger explained for you. In short, easy to digest sentences.
- bodiva88

Pens fans....

Hartnell:
Cap hit, 4.75
Age, 31
Avg points per year, 40.41
Career high in points, 67 (2011-12)

Lecavalier:
Cap hit 4.5
Age, 33
Avg points per year, 62.42
Career high in points, 108 (2006-07)

Not sure what the fuss is about really. I think his contract is a great deal for the flyers. Excluding last year, he's scored 20 goals or more in 12 straight seasons.
- Flyersgod

This!! I completely agree - great value for the money.

Ironically, while comparing the two players, I found that their birthdays are 3 days apart!
- Flyersgod

Not this! What is ironic about that?? Coincidental? Yes. Ironic? No.

why did guys like Ed Snider force us to miss half a season and lock the players out again?
- jimbro83

Looking at the splinter in the other team's eye while ignoring the log in your own.

you mean ridiculous Chris Pronger style contracts right?
- jimbro83

I don't remember anyone talking about buying out Chris Pronger when he was only 33 years old.

You guys must be livid that you still have Richards signed till 2020 at $6.67M while the Flyers just got his old buddy Vinny for two years and $2M less. Enjoy those cap recapture penalties.

It's usually considered good form to actually read the blog before commenting unknowledgeably about exactly what the blogger explained for you. In short, easy to digest sentences.
- bodiva88

I like your style.

This!! I completely agree - great value for the money.




Not this! What is ironic about that?? Coincidental? Yes. Ironic? No.
- TS_Downes

LOL, he went to the Alanis Morrisette school of misnomers.

I don't remember anyone talking about buying out Chris Pronger when he was only 33 years old.

You guys must be livid that you still have Richards signed till 2020 at $6.67M while the Flyers just got his old buddy Vinny for two years and $2M less. Enjoy those cap recapture penalties.
- Feanor

after taking a year off from the NHL to protest their silly lockout, it is nice to see that not much has changed. In regards to the Flyers, while I am certainly glad I did not have to endure the train wreck that was last season, I still think with a couple more solid moves. the Flyers will be in good shape. Stay patient and stay the course...please

Explain what is ridiculous about the Pronger contract.
- MBFlyerfan

two years at the end of his deal, when he was 41 and 42 years old, at 575K, to artificially lower the cap hit to $4,941,429 a year.

but, you knew that

two years at the end of his deal, when he was 41 and 42 years old, at 575K, to artificially lower the cap hit to $4,941,429 a year.

but, you knew that
- jimbro83

You are not answering the question. Seems to me that is good cap management.

I don't remember anyone talking about buying out Chris Pronger when he was only 33 years old.

You guys must be livid that you still have Richards signed till 2020 at $6.67M while the Flyers just got his old buddy Vinny for two years and $2M less. Enjoy those cap recapture penalties.
- Feanor

you guys actually traded for the right to sign Bryzgalov, right?

two years at the end of his deal, when he was 41 and 42 years old, at 575K, to artificially lower the cap hit to $4,941,429 a year.

but, you knew that
- jimbro83

Ridiculous because it would successfully circumvent the cap?

Ridiculously awesome, right....that's what you're going for?

you mean ridiculous Chris Pronger style contracts right?
- jimbro83

Right. Just like ridiculous Brad Richards contracts.

you guys actually traded for the right to sign Bryzgalov, right?
- jimbro83

We tried hard to get Wade Redden, but just couldnt get things worked out.

You are not answering the question. Seems to me that is good cap management.
- MBFlyerfan

this was the answer to my question about why we had the lockout:

"For a 50/50 revenue split, and contract term limits so teams couldn't sign players to ridiculous Brad Richards-style contracts anymore"

So, since the Pronger contract came out before Richards did, I thought I would be bring that one up

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.250m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.594m) /
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.851m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
Jose Theodore ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,331,594; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,768,406


I'll take this going into the season.

plus first pp unit of g-simmonds-hartnell-jake-kimmo
second pp unit of vinny-schenn-gagne/coots-streit-read

not bad. thoughts?