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phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jul 3 @ 11:18 AM ET
why do people hate the canucks so much?
- PhillySportsGuy


Many, many reasons. Burrows, Lapierre, Kesler, Sedins, etc. Also, a couple of my buddies are big Canucks fan
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
I don't hate them, per se, but I have a friend that is a Hawks fan that hates them.

He reminds me of me when I talk about the Penguins, so it probably has to do with diving, baiting officials, cheap hits, etc.

- johndewar


It's a shame we don't get to see too much of the west coast teams. I liked the old schedule more. Too much of the pens, rags, isles and devils
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
If you get Buff you'll nee the McDonalds to keep him happy.

- FlyersGrace

I'm still working on the details for my idea, namely a comparison of the length of Buff's contract, versus how long one can stay reasonably healthy while maintaining enough body mass to fill an entire NHL net.

Three years might be stretching it.
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jul 3 @ 11:20 AM ET
I'm still working on the details for my idea, namely a comparison of the length of Buff's contract, versus how long one can stay reasonably healthy while maintaining enough body mass to fill an entire NHL net.

Three years might be stretching it.

- BulliesPhan87


If by "it" you mean "a size-72 Flyers jersey," then yes, Buff would be stretching it.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 3 @ 11:20 AM ET
Gary and RSE got $12-15M in annual fees from the City of Glendale to keep the Coyotes in the desert, essentially at gun point.
- Tomahawk


the mayor voted no. at least they have that.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:20 AM ET
Well we do have a slushy machine. I just don't think it'll be enough to impress Buff...
- FlyersGrace


When he and Voracek are on the ice together we can all them....

phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jul 3 @ 11:20 AM ET
http://shop.nhl.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=3176599
- Scoob


HAHAHA
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 3 @ 11:21 AM ET
Another great blog, Bill.

The length of the contracts for Streit and Vinny is the trade-off for not expending any hockey assets to get them.

Incremental contract growth on existing players, with the exception of Read, will most likely be covered by the increase in next year's cap (hopefully at least 80% or more).

Assuming comparable replacements are available, expiring contracts should cover the cost of those replacements. The assumption that comparable replacements will be available is the problem.

Based upon the trade rumors floated before the draft, is it reasonable to assume that the Flyers have fully vetted the trade values of Coburn, Read, Mesz and, possibly, Coots? Now that the draft is over, have those values changed?

Was Jones dropping to 4th a relative surprise, thus leaving Nashville no choice but to draft the best player available? Would they be open to trading him? Would they be open to trading him to the Flyers? I have a jones for Jones and think that if he could potentially be our next Howe/Desjardins/Pronger, we need to take a swing. Most Cup winners have that stud defenseman. However, in any trade, I would like to see an equivalent number of assets coming back.

For $hi!$ and giggles, say Mez, Coots and Read for Jones, 2014 and 2015 1st and 2nd (one pick each year, our choice of round in 2014 with the 2015 being the other round, if that makes sense), or just one pick with the 2nd being a roster player.

Leaves you the ability to sign Gagne and possibly Thomas if so inclined.

- GeorgeBailey


I think the Preds are desperate for forwards. If I was Poile I would listen to an offer of Couturier, Read, Coburn for Jones and 2014 first.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:22 AM ET
I think the Preds are desperate for forwards. If I was Poile I would listen to an offer of Couturier, Read, Coburn for Jones and 2014 first.
- youarewrong


I think if the first were coming from Philly he may listen
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 3 @ 11:22 AM ET
If by "it" you mean "a size-72 Flyers jersey," then yes, Buff would be stretching it.
- dilbert719

Just dress him in one of these:

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:22 AM ET
Just dress him in one of these:


- BulliesPhan87

Rocktane
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 03.08.2011

Jul 3 @ 11:23 AM ET
That wouldnt alieve the log jam at center then.
- youarewrong


I'd prefer to go with Giroux, Vinny, Couts, and Laughton for a few seasons as our centers. If need be, I'd move Laughton to 3rd line wing, if he develops and requires more ice time. I'm all for keeping BSchenn and seeing if he can transition to LW. You look at the teams in the finals this season, and you see a few lines have more than one natural center on them. Utilizing Laughton and BSchenn as wingers down the road isn't a horrible idea.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
I'd prefer to go with Giroux, Vinny, Couts, and Laughton for a few seasons as our centers. If need be, I'd move Laughton to 3rd line wing, if he develops and requires more ice time. I'm all for keeping BSchenn and seeing if he can transition to LW. You look at the teams in the finals this season, and you see a few lines have natural centers on them. Utilizing Laughton and BSchenn as wingers down the road isn't a horrible idea.
- Rocktane


i think it's important that the team keeps Schenn at wing. Even if Vinny gets injured, I would rather move Coots up and Laughton to 3rd line C. I don't want to see Schenn moved back and forth.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jul 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
I think if the first were coming from Philly he may listen
- PhillySportsGuy

I'd be very surprised if we trade our first when the draft is in Philly.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
I think the Preds are desperate for forwards. If I was Poile I would listen to an offer of Couturier, Read, Coburn for Jones and 2014 first.
- youarewrong


He will listen to offers for Weber before jones....jones is younger and cheaper
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
Gary and RSE got $12-15M in annual fees from the City of Glendale to keep the Coyotes in the desert, essentially at gun point.
- Tomahawk


No where near the 200 million that NPR (National Public Radio, government funded) spent on a state of the art building in the middle of DC. At least the Coyotes create jobs for Glendale. NPR just spews the president's agenda.
GeorgeBailey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
I think if the first were coming from Philly he may listen
- PhillySportsGuy


I like Jones, but to say that is implying that Poile believes that Jones will turn water into wine.

Youarewrong is right....Nashville will need to be REALLY good in shoot-outs in order to win all of those 0-0 games.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
Is capgeek being weird for anyone else? It won't show the options on each player's tile for trading them, buying them out, demoting them, etc. So I can't actually do anything with the roster
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
I'd be very surprised if we trade our first when the draft is in Philly.
- section32


Jersey just did
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
why 11?

yeah good way to look at it. my biggest gripe with this team has been trading away kids and picks for veterans. making moves like this are fine with me. I look forward to watching Steit and Lecavalier play. having the kids play with a guy like Lecavalier is also fine in my book. Say what you want about the Flyers but they don't worry about money and I will always love being a fan of a team that is like that. they ate 25 million dollars in buyouts. I do hope they learn to be patient with young players and keep their picks. that is my sole complaint

- nastyflyergirl


i have no idea. he didn't say.

agree. and we'll soon find out if homer's going to do anything more than moving coburn or mesz to free up space and land a goalie. i hope not. i like that we went heavy on d in the draft and he's publicly talked about being patient with young dmen. we've got some decent talent in the pipeline, hopefully we get to see them develop.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
I think if the first were coming from Philly he may listen
- PhillySportsGuy


If the asking price for Weber was Schenn and Coutuier, then I cant see the asking price for Jones being much higher.
GeorgeBailey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
He will listen to offers for Weber before jones....jones is younger and cheaper
- nonpoint22


Weber will help them with the cap floor.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
Is capgeek being weird for anyone else? It won't show the options on each player's tile for trading them, buying them out, demoting them, etc. So I can't actually do anything with the roster
- JAKEw1234


You've been fired as capgeek gm
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
Is capgeek being weird for anyone else? It won't show the options on each player's tile for trading them, buying them out, demoting them, etc. So I can't actually do anything with the roster
- JAKEw1234


Yes good....I was trying it for the first time and couldnt figure out how to remove players...so its a glitch
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 3 @ 11:29 AM ET
If the asking price for Weber was Schenn and Coutuier, then I cant see the asking price for Jones being much higher.
- youarewrong


First of all it was Schenn, couturier+. Second, the Preds view Jones as a franchise Dman. They won't be trading him unless they get multiple young forwards. Read is set to expire after this season. THey won't want that. They covet team controlled players. THink of them as the Tampa Bay Rays of hockey.
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