If he is offer sheeted and we don't match...what if anything do we receive back ?
- philco28

picks, exact round & number of picks depends on the value of the offer

If he is offer sheeted and we don't match...what if anything do we receive back ?
- philco28

A pick or picks (depending upon the size of the offer) and cap space equivalent to the offer sheet amount.

If he is offer sheeted and we don't match...what if anything do we receive back ?
- philco28

$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks

If he is offer sheeted and we don't match...what if anything do we receive back ?
- philco28

$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks

How can that be true if even the do no wrong current front office is apparently divided about his true upside?
- Return of the Roar

Lets look at obvious facts.... How many defenders, in the NHL, are 22 (or younger) and have better production than Leddy? Very few...... Most NHL defensemen are not reliable until they are 25-28 (a great example of this is Hjalmarsson).

Heck, Keith's first year in the NHL he was 22. So this coming year, for Leddy, is the equivalent of Keith's first year.

The Smith & Bobrovsky signings are HUGE risks - BIG TIME risks. This front office has a plan that has won numerous Stanley Cups.

Crawford - based upon current economics - will certainly get the $4+ mil/year contract next season. It just won't come from the Hawks.

Note: Crawford couldn't hold Smith nor Bobrovsky's jock strap in regards to pure talent. Please do not tell me: Well he won a Cup! The incredible defense in front of him was the main reason they hoisted the Cup a week ago.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Are you Larry Holmes?

Folks, I think we know who the front office pumpers on this blog are. They all take it just a bit too personally and fire at the messenger a bit too often for parties who are just plain fans.

Nowhere have I said Dale does/did no wrong. I am merely mentioning that we really don't know who did wrong after capapalooza. That is usually the result of a current regime's desire for the truth not to come out.

I am sorry. If you are applying for a GM job, and your last gig really cost your owner millions of dollars unnecessarily, you do not get hired.
- Return of the Roar

Folks, we all know who the perennial goal post mover is......it's ROR. Remember when he would grace us with his wisdom that the Hawks would never make it past the first round...then they did....then he predicted that it would be a 2nd round exit.......then the Hawks beat the Wings.....then he predicted there was no way the Hawks would be the Kings.....and then the Hawks beat the Kings......then the big bad Bruins of the Eastern Conference would show Hawk nation how a Stanley Cup team needs to be constructed.......then the Hawks won the Cup. Now those that are willing to give Bowman the FO SOME credit, because it's deserved, we are front office pumpers. I've never taken your criticism of the FO personal......I just find your posts amusing. I don't doubt your knowledge of the game and the insight you provide. However, if we are Bowman lovers or FO pumpers what does that make you in regards to Tallon.....his Lackey? I've been critical of Bowman for several things, not utilizing the money from the Campbell trade properly, giving all that money to Sharp, not being able to pull the trigger on several trade opportunities...but at the end of the day I also can't argue with the results......MCD is a DB and we all know that....hopefully he will retire soon.

A pick or picks (depending upon the size of the offer) and cap space equivalent to the offer sheet amount.
- Return of the Roar

Thank Y'ALL for all the replies...interesting stuff....

Good. Leverage for the Leddy talks. Sign Emery and Kruger - maybe even ROzy. And you tell Nick hey kid, this is all we have left for ya.
- Return of the Roar

yeah, kind of like they did with hammer... and that worked out real well. why would he care 'what's left' ...all that does is invite teams to give him an offer sheet knowing we don't have the cap space to match. then we get less in draft pick compensation that we would get trading him or his rights because we boxed ourselves into a corner with the cap.

Lets look at obvious facts.... How many defenders, in the NHL, are 22 (or younger) and have better production than Leddy? Very few...... Most NHL defensemen are not reliable until they are 25-28 (a great example of this is Hjalmarsson).

Heck, Keith's first year in the NHL he was 22. So this coming year, for Leddy, is the equivalent of Keith's first year.
- BearsnHawks

So the inference is that Leddy = Keith, therefore match any offer. Ok, I understand. See me in a couple of years when that is NOT his trajectory, and he is a contract noose. If he goes bust at north of $3MM, he is not tradeable. Has too much yet to prove to get more than Subban money.

Folks, we all know who the perennial goal post mover is......it's ROR. Remember when he would grace us with his wisdom that the Hawks would never make it past the first round...then they did....then he predicted that it would be a 2nd round exit.......then the Hawks beat the Wings.....then he predicted there was no way the Hawks would be the Kings.....and then the Hawks beat the Kings......then the big bad Bruins of the Eastern Conference would show Hawk nation how a Stanley Cup team needs to be constructed.......then the Hawks won the Cup. Now those that are willing to give Bowman the FO SOME credit, because it's deserved, we are front office pumpers. I've never taken your criticism of the FO personal......I just find your posts amusing. I don't doubt your knowledge of the game and the insight you provide. However, if we are Bowman lovers or FO pumpers what does that make you in regards to Tallon.....his Lackey? I've been critical of Bowman for several things, not utilizing the money from the Campbell trade properly, giving all that money to Sharp, not being able to pull the trigger on several trade opportunities...but at the end of the day I also can't argue with the results......MCD is a DB and we all know that....hopefully he will retire soon.
- UnnamedSource

See - shooting the messenger = overinvested.

Folks, we all know who the perennial goal post mover is......it's ROR. Remember when he would grace us with his wisdom that the Hawks would never make it past the first round...then they did....then he predicted that it would be a 2nd round exit.......then the Hawks beat the Wings.....then he predicted there was no way the Hawks would be the Kings.....and then the Hawks beat the Kings......then the big bad Bruins of the Eastern Conference would show Hawk nation how a Stanley Cup team needs to be constructed.......then the Hawks won the Cup. Now those that are willing to give Bowman the FO SOME credit, because it's deserved, we are front office pumpers. I've never taken your criticism of the FO personal......I just find your posts amusing. I don't doubt your knowledge of the game and the insight you provide. However, if we are Bowman lovers or FO pumpers what does that make you in regards to Tallon.....his Lackey? I've been critical of Bowman for several things, not utilizing the money from the Campbell trade properly, giving all that money to Sharp, not being able to pull the trigger on several trade opportunities...but at the end of the day I also can't argue with the results......MCD is a DB and we all know that....hopefully he will retire soon.
- UnnamedSource

Giving all that money to Sharp paid off!

yeah, kind of like they did with hammer... and that worked out real well. why would he care 'what's left' ...all that does is invite teams to give him an offer sheet knowing we don't have the cap space to match. then we get less in draft pick compensation that we would get trading him or his rights because we boxed ourselves into a corner with the cap.
- Sconnie

He may care whats left when he sees the ones willing to overpay him are the dregs of the NHL.

Ok so I was away from the world wide web for a few hours but going thru twitter iy looks looks lokethe Hawks are close with Emery Leddy and Krueger ? Anyone know if this is true ? Oh and apparently the Dodgers are dumbest team in baseball.

Giving all that money to Sharp paid off!
- dpard

A lot of money to give a guy in his early thirties.....

He may care whats left when he sees the ones willing to overpay him are the dregs of the NHL.
- Return of the Roar

while i disagree that he would care even such a situation, that would have nothing to do with 'what's left' based on other signings and would be him instead agreeing to take a home town discount to play for a winner. another thing to consider is he's going to getting less minutes and less PP time staying in chicago and could likely develop faster elsewhere, even if it means on a loser. he does have a ring now.

So the inference is that Leddy = Keith, therefore match any offer. Ok, I understand. See me in a couple of years when that is NOT his trajectory, and he is a contract noose. If he goes bust at north of $3MM, he is not tradeable. Has too much yet to prove to get more than Subban money.
- Return of the Roar

Never did I day Leddy is Keith..... Just comparing production and ages..... All I am saying is if we get rid of Leddy at this point of his career for anything less than a 1st and a 3rd (I would want more) it would be a big mistake. Just letting him walk is asinine and not projecting him as a top 4 defender is also wrong. I would rather have him than Rozsival, not for next year, but for what he could/should be.

A lot of money to give a guy in his early thirties.....
- UnnamedSource

Sharp keeps himself in tip top shape, is a clutch player and outside of Toews, is the best leader on this team.

I'm sorry, I don't really know where all the love for Rosy is coming from. Did he play good, yes but he also holds onto the puck too long for stretches and didn't even seem to trust his d-partner to pass him the biscuit. Sign him at a minimum salary or see ya!

while i disagree that he would even such a situation, that has nothing to do with 'what's left' based on other signings and would be him instead agreeing to take a home town discount to play for a winner. another thing to consider is he's going to getting less minutes and less PP time staying in chicago and could likely develop faster elsewhere, even if it means on a loser. he does have a ring now.
- Sconnie

So what you are saying then is that he could be gone anyway? OK then. All the more reason not to throw the bank at him. Nothing worse than a potentially overpaid, impatient and ungrateful 22 year old kid with potential to be some undefinable degree of better.

Umm terrible leverage...... Leddy gets qualified at a low rate and since we can't match it we either trade somebody else or get a 3rd round pick for Leddy.....
- BearsnHawks

This.

I'd take Cullen over Malhotra in a heartbeat, but he may be tougher to snag on a cap-friendly deal. I think he was making $3.5M on his current deal? Even $2M would be a huge pay cut.
- Lash8

I think the Wild will re-sign Cullen after they buyout Gilbert. Rumor has it that he's looking for a 3 year deal worth around $9-10 million. I think that's a bit spendy, but the Wild were terrible without him in the line up last season. He was really the offensive catalyst when he was on the ice, not to mention a top PP and PK guy and great at the face off dot. Personally I think he was arguably the team MVP.

Wild will be hurting at the 2C spot if he's not re-signed. I think he'd be a good fit for a Hawks team looking to repeat though.

Sharp keeps himself in tip top shape, is a clutch player and outside of Toews, is the best leader on this team.
- philco28

Yes and yes.

while i disagree that he would care even such a situation, that would have nothing to do with 'what's left' based on other signings and would be him instead agreeing to take a home town discount to play for a winner. another thing to consider is he's going to getting less minutes and less PP time staying in chicago and could likely develop faster elsewhere, even if it means on a loser. he does have a ring now.
- Sconnie

He is an RFA not a UFA, so this hometown discount/go elsewhere for more is not making lots of sense. He either gets "market value" by what a team sends (and Hawks can match the offer) or the Hawks give him what he wants now and he signs.

If he is offer sheeted and we don't match...what if anything do we receive back ?
- philco28

If offer is less than $3.3m avg salary, 3rd round pick. Above $3.3m, 1st and 3rd round picks. Above $5m, I think it's a 1, 2 and 3.