Yep, the core of this team is Dale's, no matter how the revisionists might want to frame things. Still betting the truth regarding the QO's after the 2010 cup is subject to Kennedy assassination level lockdown as well.
- Return of the Roar

Dale doesn't get credit for most of those drafts. He didn't have the final say as GM

as was the cap issues after they won in 2010.
- UnnamedSource

Which were a symptom of the QO problems.

Which were a symptom of the QO problems.
- Return of the Roar

Which was Tallon's fault for not qualifying them before the deadline......

Which was Tallon's fault for not qualifying them before the deadline......
- BearsnHawks

Ahhh...that is the $64,000 question to which none of us will get the answer to any time soon. Was it in fact Tallon's fault?? As Wiz said a week or two back - maybe if/when Dale writes his memoirs, or lets it slip on the golf course to someone, the truth will come out.

Which were a symptom of the QO problems.
- Return of the Roar

So you're going to give him credit for drafts that he didn't have the final say on...but absolve him of the cap issues......

Tallon was Director of Player Personel begining in '98, and AGM before becoming GM in '02

Among the guys he would have had a hand in drafting with the Blackhawks, before Towes/Kane:

2001 - R3 Craig Anderson
2002 - R2 Keith; R5 Wisniewski, R9 Burish
2003 - R1 Seabrook; R2 Crawford; R8 Byfuglien
2004 - R2 Bolland; R2 Bickell; R7 Brouwer
2005 - R4 Hjalmarsson
- scottak

THe best part is Stan was brought in to Chicago in 2001, so by your thoughts, once Stan cam in the Hawks learned how to draft....

Have not posted here for months since early in the wing series....but I do check in for good laugh once in awhile...the howlers keep a coming...

I guess journey man Smith with one good year and playoff under his belt and Bobro oh he of a decent 25 gmes and who can forget that HOFer called Tukka Rask. Two signed at 5 plus and the other looking for 35 mil over 6 yrs. I just can't handle all the "elite" goaltending resumes with these guys!!
- bogiedoc

The Smith & Bobrovsky signings are HUGE risks - BIG TIME risks. This front office has a plan that has won numerous Stanley Cups.

Crawford - based upon current economics - will certainly get the $4+ mil/year contract next season. It just won't come from the Hawks.

Note: Crawford couldn't hold Smith nor Bobrovsky's jock strap in regards to pure talent. Please do not tell me: Well he won a Cup! The incredible defense in front of him was the main reason they hoisted the Cup a week ago.

So you're going to give him credit for drafts that he didn't have the final say on...but absolve him of the cap issues......
- UnnamedSource

To suggest that a direct of player/personnel has no input into the decisions made is just plan obtuse. And, I am not absolving Dale of anything - I am saying it is more than coincidence that the fault has not been officially pegged to anyone.

The fact that FLA hired him as a GM after that happened speaks volumes on its face about what really happened. If it was Dale's fault, would you hire him as your next GM?

THe best part is Stan was brought in to Chicago in 2001, so by your thoughts, once Stan cam in the Hawks learned how to draft....
- BearsnHawks

So now we come back around in a circle..... The cups and core are a direct reflection of Stan!! If we are giving Tallon credit for drafts where he wasn't the GM then both cups are Stan's team!

Ahhh...that is the $64,000 question to which none of us will get the answer to any time soon. Was it in fact Tallon's fault?? As Wiz said a week or two back - maybe if/when Dale writes his memoirs, or lets it slip on the golf course to someone, the truth will come out.
- Return of the Roar

If he is the GM it falls on his shoulders. Even if his underlings didn't do it. That's like passing the blame for a business going out of business on a manager in training, not the CEO (who should know what is going on).

Tallon was Director of Player Personel begining in '98, and AGM before becoming GM in '02

Among the guys he would have had a hand in drafting with the Blackhawks, before Towes/Kane:

2001 - R3 Craig Anderson
2002 - R2 Keith; R5 Wisniewski, R9 Burish
2003 - R1 Seabrook; R2 Crawford; R8 Byfuglien
2004 - R2 Bolland; R2 Bickell; R7 Brouwer
2005 - R4 Hjalmarsson
- scottak

Tallon was GM from '05 until '09.

"Having a hand" in drafting a player is not the same as being the one responsible for pulling the trigger. The scouts, AGM, player personnel, etc. all "Have a hand" in drafting a player, but ultimately there is one person responsible for making the decision. Someone had to make the call on Skille over Kopitar, Staal, Kindl, Rask, Oshie, Cogliano, etc. that person was Tallon.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but of the 35 picks he had as the final say as GM from '05-'08 there are 3 out of 35 as solid NHL players. Time will tell how his '09-?? drafts work out.

To suggest that a direct of player/personnel has no input into the decisions made is just plan obtuse. And, I am not absolving Dale of anything - I am saying it is more than coincidence that the fault has not been officially pegged to anyone.

The fact that FLA hired him as a GM after that happened speaks volumes on its face about what really happened. If it was Dale's fault, would you hire him as your next GM?
- Return of the Roar

Look back at draft's that Tallon was in charge. I will give you a hint, they were bad. Other than Toews and Kane. Where he fleeced teams was in trades. Sharp, Steeger, Ladd.......

To suggest that a direct of player/personnel has no input into the decisions made is just plan obtuse. And, I am not absolving Dale of anything - I am saying it is more than coincidence that the fault has not been officially pegged to anyone.

The fact that FLA hired him as a GM after that happened speaks volumes on its face about what really happened. If it was Dale's fault, would you hire him as your next GM?
- Return of the Roar

If I am Florida, yes... Getting a guy that actually got good value on top 3 picks (where FLA has been, frequently, the majority of their existence).

Chris Kuc ‏@ChrisKuc
#Blackhawks are also scheduled to talk with restricted free-agent center Marcus Kruger's agent on a structure for a two-year deal.

To suggest that a direct of player/personnel has no input into the decisions made is just plan obtuse. And, I am not absolving Dale of anything - I am saying it is more than coincidence that the fault has not been officially pegged to anyone.

The fact that FLA hired him as a GM after that happened speaks volumes on its face about what really happened. If it was Dale's fault, would you hire him as your next GM?
- Return of the Roar

Not suggesting that at all, all I'm saying is to suggest an assistant GM has the final say on who is drafted is just plan obtuse. As far as Florida hiring him, we don't know the reasons why, but more or less because of the success of the Hawks. However, he has been there for two years and made the playoffs in his first season but his team was horrible in the 2nd year. Let's see the results of this year and beyond before the "Dale can do no wrong" crowd is allowed to cheer.

Hawks only, currently have 32 under contract (according to capgeek). If we resign all 8 RFA's and sign 3 UFA's that puts us at 43 players. Do we really have 7 players to bring up this next year or sign out of college?
- BearsnHawks

I don't know exactly. It all depends on who is or isn't coming out of college, out of junior, who they might lose rights to if the Hawks don't sign them to an entry level deal, ect.

I don't have an exact or approximate number.

Chris Kuc ‏@ChrisKuc
#Blackhawks are also scheduled to talk with restricted free-agent center Marcus Kruger's agent on a structure for a two-year deal.
- philco28

Good. Leverage for the Leddy talks. Sign Emery and Kruger - maybe even ROzy. And you tell Nick hey kid, this is all we have left for ya.

Chris Kuc ‏@ChrisKuc
#Blackhawks are also scheduled to talk with restricted free-agent center Marcus Kruger's agent on a structure for a two-year deal.
- philco28

Awesome!

Good. Leverage for the Leddy talks. Sign Emery and Kruger - maybe even ROzy. And you tell Nick hey kid, this is all we have left for ya.
- Return of the Roar

Umm terrible leverage...... Leddy gets qualified at a low rate and since we can't match it we either trade somebody else or get a 3rd round pick for Leddy.....

Folks, I think we know who the front office pumpers on this blog are. They all take it just a bit too personally and fire at the messenger a bit too often for parties who are just plain fans.

Nowhere have I said Dale does/did no wrong. I am merely mentioning that we really don't know who did wrong after capapalooza. That is usually the result of a current regime's desire for the truth not to come out.

I am sorry. If you are applying for a GM job, and your last gig really cost your owner millions of dollars unnecessarily, you do not get hired.

Folks, I think we know who the front office pumpers on this blog are. They all take it just a bit too personally and fire at the messenger a bit too often for parties who are just plain fans.

Nowhere have I said Dale does/did no wrong. I am merely mentioning that we really don't know who did wrong after capapalooza. That is usually the result of a current regime's desire for the truth not to come out.

I am sorry. If you are applying for a GM job, and your last gig really cost your owner millions of dollars unnecessarily, you do not get hired.
- Return of the Roar

Any FO that gets 2 cups in 4 years should get pumped up. Any other NHL team wishes they could have accomplished what we did.

Umm terrible leverage...... Leddy gets qualified at a low rate and since we can't match it we either trade somebody else or get a 3rd round pick for Leddy.....
- BearsnHawks

If $2.5MM is low, he can walk. Ideal situation is to resign Rozy, Leddy, Kruger Bickell, and Emery. Leddy's game got better because he played with Rozy. As would Stanton for a lot less money.

If $2.5MM is low, he can walk. Ideal situation is to resign Rozy, Leddy, Kruger Bickell, and Emery. Leddy's game got better because he played with Rozy. As would Stanton for a lot less money.
- Return of the Roar

Let a first round draft pick, who is 22, and has lots of upside walk for a 3rd round pick??? You are delirious!!

Let a first round draft pick, who is 22, and has lots of upside walk for a 3rd round pick??? You are delirious!!
- BearsnHawks

How can that be true if even the do no wrong current front office is apparently divided about his true upside? I'd rather have Rozy + anyone than an overpaid Leddy + _____

Good. Leverage for the Leddy talks. Sign Emery and Kruger - maybe even ROzy. And you tell Nick hey kid, this is all we have left for ya.
- Return of the Roar

If he is offer sheeted and we don't match...what if anything do we receive back ?