Yeah, I guess they are not as close to the cap as I thought they still were. Still need another goalie, and I am assuming that is going to take up some of that wiggle room unless you go with an unproven backup behind Mason, which would not be smart IMO.

Still, if the Flyers sign Vinny, they are basically ensuring that they won't be able to keep at least one of their young guys in the near future.
- carcus

Unless you can talk him into a 2 year deal somehow... again though id rather they not get Vinny, hes older and breaks down easy and having him limits the growth of the younger guys you NEED to grow... Also, all the cap talk, the one thing we know about Philly is whatever cap space they have right now will not be there come season start. Philly will make a move in some way to ensure they use every dime they can.

I don't think that;s true after a couple years.
- KingPauli

He'd carry like a $2 mil hit. Sorry man we already used both of our CBOs

And they should because they can buy him out in a couple years. That's the great advantage of having an owner who spends money.
- KingPauli

How has that been working out for them?

I think they would've wanted them. You don't bid on a guy if you have NO desire to have them because if they accept you have an issue. they missed out on other opportunities waiting to hear back from those two and were a weaker team this year due to that. There's no way they only offered to them to keep them from the Pens because they screwed themselves in that process too.

They wanted them for the right price and it had the added bonus of making it more expensive for other teams.

The logic then becomes they really really want Vinny so will outbid other and that would be a mistake.
- Hype97

I disagree... i think they bid up parise and suter to keep him away and to hav an excuse not to sign other guys all while pitching Shea Weber, most people forget they snuck him into Philly and he toured all the complexes all while they were supposivly bidding on Parise and Suter... i think those two were distractions to keep people shy to the fact that they targeted Weber and thought there was no chance Nashville would match, thats why they didnt sign Jagr and a few others... if you ask me that is.

I disagree... i think they bid up parise and suter to keep him away and to hav an excuse not to sign other guys all while pitching Shea Weber, most people forget they snuck him into Philly and he toured all the complexes all while they were supposivly bidding on Parise and Suter... i think those two were distractions to keep people shy to the fact that they targeted Weber and thought there was no chance Nashville would match, thats why they didnt sign Jagr and a few others... if you ask me that is.
- theocean

exactly, they focused too hard on those guys and Jagr didnt want to wait around. same with Matt Carle

How has that been working out for them?
- Muskoka88

I will female dog and moan about some of the moves the Flyers front office makes, but at the same time i always know that they TRY to do everything they can to win, they always try to make a splash and always spend the money... so it may not always work out for them, but they always go for it, so i cant ever be too mad at them... Unless they trade 28 or 93. Then id be legit pissed at Homer and Ed.

exactly, they focused too hard on those guys and Jagr didnt want to wait around. same with Matt Carle
- arichardson22

No they wouldnt have been able to afford those guys if the Weber plan worked out, thats why they didnt try for Carle or Jagr... It was cause of Shea not parise and/or Suter. Everything was planned as Weber would be in the orange and Black.. then Nashville matched and the plan went to poop. But it was cause they wanted Weber not Suter/Parise.

Eklund: Lecavalier Teams Narrowing. Emery back to Chicago, Kings/Bolts/Bruins Talk
- Eklund

From an income tax point of view, Texas would be as good as Florida for Lecavalier.

It's too bad the Wings are out of the running. I understand Kenny not wanting to buy Lecavalier to five years at five million per season, but I think he's worth it and fills an immediate need.

No they wouldnt have been able to afford those guys if the Weber plan worked out, thats why they didnt try for Carle or Jagr... It was cause of Shea not parise and/or Suter. Everything was planned as Weber would be in the orange and Black.. then Nashville matched and the plan went to poop. But it was cause they wanted Weber not Suter/Parise.
- theocean

Only imagine how great t would have been to have Weber in orange and black. Thought for sure we had him man

I disagree... i think they bid up parise and suter to keep him away and to hav an excuse not to sign other guys all while pitching Shea Weber, most people forget they snuck him into Philly and he toured all the complexes all while they were supposivly bidding on Parise and Suter... i think those two were distractions to keep people shy to the fact that they targeted Weber and thought there was no chance Nashville would match, thats why they didnt sign Jagr and a few others... if you ask me that is.
- theocean

Well....That worked out well

I think you're giving them too much credit. Parise/Suter signed 7/4, Flyers didn't do the offersheet until 7/19. If the whole thing was a smokescreen they could've done the offer sheet 7/5, known the answer by 7/12 and still had time to make moves if the sheet was matched. I think it was more along the lines of keeping every option open bringing in Weber to see if he would have interest if he was the route they had to take. Your way sounds better though.

Only imagine how great t would have been to have Weber in orange and black. Thought for sure we had him man
- arichardson22

Agreed, BUT we should move on from Weber. We talk about him too often like an ex from high school. It's getting a bit sad.

Agreed, BUT we should move on from Weber. We talk about him too often like an ex from high school. It's getting a bit sad.
- Hype97

haha very true! leave to the preds to be stuck with that massive contract.

Well....That worked out well

I think you're giving them too much credit. Parise/Suter signed 7/4, Flyers didn't do the offersheet until 7/19. If the whole thing was a smokescreen they could've done the offer sheet 7/5, known the answer by 7/12 and still had time to make moves if the sheet was matched. I think it was more along the lines of keeping every option open bringing in Weber to see if he would have interest if he was the route they had to take. Your way sounds better though.
- Hype97

Yes there are several other teams in the league so sometimes even well thought out plans dont work... I dont think im giving them any credit really im telling you exactly how i think things played out...

well smoke and mirrors with the parise/suter offers... slide in Shea under the cover of that smoke show off the town, hell sign the sheet... then wait for him to sign since Nville cant possibly match and then we got slapped in the face by nville.

I don't know, you are paying Bryz to not play and Mason is the only goalie right now. Mason may end up ok, but I wouldn't count on it. You just signed Streit to a 4 year deal for too much. (35+ contract as well, seems they never learn)

Up against the cap right now, and Philly is seriously trying to get Vinny?

I don't see how you don't think they are a mess. It is like they are run by a kid with ADHD.
- carcus

I'd explain the Flyers cap situation again, but there's no points. Think whatever you want, but do a little homework next time.

Philly DOES NOT HAVE THE CAP SPACE TO SIGN HIM. So unless somehow they're going to magically dig themselves out of the 'only have 4.1mil available' area. He's not signing with Philly. Will not sign with Philly. Cannot sign with Philly. Philly will have to make a move to shed salary. If they were going to get rid of Coburn, they'd have done so at the draft. So you're wishful crack smoking thinking on this.

http://capgeek.com/flyers/

Philly DOES NOT HAVE THE CAP SPACE TO SIGN HIM. So unless somehow they're going to magically dig themselves out of the 'only have 4.1mil available' area. He's not signing with Philly. Will not sign with Philly. Cannot sign with Philly. Philly will have to make a move to shed salary. If they were going to get rid of Coburn, they'd have done so at the draft. So you're wishful crack smoking thinking on this.

http://capgeek.com/flyers/
- MisterC

You do know Mezsaros is most likely gonna be on the injured reserve list? Thats enough.

Philly DOES NOT HAVE THE CAP SPACE TO SIGN HIM. So unless somehow they're going to magically dig themselves out of the 'only have 4.1mil available' area. He's not signing with Philly. Will not sign with Philly. Cannot sign with Philly. Philly will have to make a move to shed salary. If they were going to get rid of Coburn, they'd have done so at the draft. So you're wishful crack smoking thinking on this.

http://capgeek.com/flyers/
- MisterC

also, coburn is talked about with trades with oilers still. do your research, amateur.

You do know Mezsaros is most likely gonna be on the injured reserve list? Thats enough.
- arichardson22

And sign any goaltender of any value? Beyond unlikely.

And sign any goaltender of any value? Beyond unlikely.
- MisterC

Again, do your research. We DONT need a goaltender, we WANT a goaltender. We have Mason. Him with the offensive talent we have, plus Vinny (IF he signs) and a recovered defense, we will be fine. Mason needed a change of scenery and will do great with us. Now go blog about a team, such as the avalanche, that you actually know about.

Yeah, I guess they are not as close to the cap as I thought they still were. Still need another goalie, and I am assuming that is going to take up some of that wiggle room unless you go with an unproven backup behind Mason, which would not be smart IMO.

Still, if the Flyers sign Vinny, they are basically ensuring that they won't be able to keep at least one of their young guys in the near future.
- carcus

Why? They shed over 10 million next offseason alone. Plus cap rise. Flyers, for the first time in a long time, have cap flexability. Problem is they will go crazy for Vinny. They offered 10 year 100 million dollar contracts to Parise and Sufer. Then there was the Weber contract. They got none of them. Homer isn't messing around. Now just need to hope Vinny doesn't like pressure environments and goes to Dallas. Per Pagnotta, Detroit and Montreal are out.

also, coburn is talked about with trades with oilers still. do your research, amateur.
- arichardson22

And Edmonton had assets at the draft in the name of picks etc. Which have been used. You're the hack here. Homework is in the cap. And Philly already used their 2 compliance buyouts. You have 1 goaltender on the roster, 4.1mil available and will not be signing squat without getting that sorted out. Dallas has the cap space, but I find it highly unlikely he's going to go with a rebuilding squad in Dallas and a now perennial mess with no cap space. Having a rich owner may be one thing, but man the guy is an idiot.

Again, do your research. We DONT need a goaltender, we WANT a goaltender. We have Mason. Him with the offensive talent we have, plus Vinny (IF he signs) and a recovered defense, we will be fine. Mason needed a change of scenery and will do great with us. Now go blog about a team, such as the avalanche, that you actually know about.
- arichardson22

Listen up moran. You HAVE TO HAVE A GOALIE ON THE BENCH NOT A BAG OF PUCKS. You know. One of those guys who gets paid to ride the pine in case your starting goalie gets hurt?

And Edmonton had assets at the draft in the name of picks etc. Which have been used. You're the hack here. Homework is in the cap. And Philly already used their 2 compliance buyouts. You have 1 goaltender on the roster, 4.1mil available and will not be signing squat without getting that sorted out. Dallas has the cap space, but I find it highly unlikely he's going to go with a rebuilding squad in Dallas and a now perennial mess with no cap space. Having a rich owner may be one thing, but man the guy is an idiot.
- MisterC

I'll repeat myself. Mez is not gonna play. that saves 4 million. pronger will not play. that saves more money. WE DONT NEED A GOALIE

Listen up moran. You HAVE TO HAVE A GOALIE ON THE BENCH NOT A BAG OF PUCKS.
- MisterC

no poop, did you just start watching hockey ?